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    Devs have nothing to do with who's deciding which skills are to be implemented or not, they just code the stuff their bosses tell them to.

    It's Ion and his design coworkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    People are complaining because blizzard hyped the 'unpruning' up as a feature of the expansion (because nostalgia sells in the wow sphere) and resultantly figured it would be content you actually used.

    No one would care if they just quietly re-added the spells for flavour and because people should be free to use non-optimal spells if they want.
    As I said, I find Lightning shield kind of useful, but I guess somebody will tell me they kick me out of their mythic+ if they see me use them as ele

    Master of Elements, so hey...let me put flametongue on my weapon.

    Gonna go into the mage forum to check out if anyone complains that Fire mages have frostbolt (that I guess nobody uses) and arcane explosion.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanu View Post
    they listened to feeback, people like all their extra-niche supre situational skills even if just for rp/flavour reasons
    more like people just like to get angry when they take away things, regardless of if they use them or not.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Why can we not just be happy ?
    Unleash Elements wasn't useless.

    Like, please actually process what is being written before you type a response.
    You never use Primal Strike or Flametongue in a realistic scenario, they are just *there*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Blizz removed "useless" skills.. people raged "Too much removing/pruning" and now in shadowlands they do an "Un-pruning" and still some people complain.

    Why can we not just be happy ?
    We can't be happy because they unpruned the wrong things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Blizz removed "useless" skills.. people raged "Too much removing/pruning" and now in shadowlands they do an "Un-pruning" and still some people complain.

    Why can we not just be happy ?
    Because Blizzard missed the point when it came to the criticisms of pruning. People didn't ask for abilities to be brought back into the game just so they have prettier bars with more buttons on them. People specifically asked for abilities that had niche functionalities like Icy Touch which allowed you to purge with the right glyph. They've taken the lazy route and just returned a seemingly random selection of spells because they're too retarded to realize why people complained about pruning to begin with.

    Also many of the abilities used to have a use but have lost their utility since the Legion reworks. These abilities were fun to use in the context of previous iterations of class design but aren't really compatible with their current vision of how classes should function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    As I said, I find Lightning shield kind of useful, but I guess somebody will tell me they kick me out of their mythic+ if they see me use them as ele

    Master of Elements, so hey...let me put flametongue on my weapon.

    Gonna go into the mage forum to check out if anyone complains that Fire mages have frostbolt (that I guess nobody uses) and arcane explosion.
    At least mages have legit use for these specific spells. Frostbolt can be used to slow something down (granted the damage cost is probably too big to be worth doing), and Arcane Explosion is better than anything mages have to aoe down old content that would die from just breathing in its direction.
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    All I can say is at least for Shaman the useless unpruned hasn't become a core part of the rotation.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Gonna go into the mage forum to check out if anyone complains that Fire mages have frostbolt (that I guess nobody uses) and arcane explosion.
    Arcane mages are probably not too fussed seeing as frostbolt is objectively worse than slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Blizz removed "useless" skills.. people raged "Too much removing/pruning" and now in shadowlands they do an "Un-pruning" and still some people complain.

    Why can we not just be happy ?
    - Earthliving Weapon giving a HoT never was useless
    - Flametongue Weapon giving + spell damage never was useless
    - Kill Shot never was useless
    - Baseline Hammer of Wrath never was useless
    - Shadow Word Death baseline was never useless
    - Ascendence baseline was never useless (guess what, it's still a talent)

    I could continue this list forever.

    There are so many useful things they could have unpruned that really would add something to classes. Yet in most cases they unpruned useless sh*t no one asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Seriously, this is a complaint? Or does the "you haven't added this to your action bar" prompt annoys people so much that they just can't ignore them?
    That is why I have crap on toolbars I don't even have showing. I hate seeing in my spellbook crap that isn't on my toolbars because I think that maybe I should have that on there or I'm missing something I should have up. I put all useless crap or crap that is a once in a blue moon on toolbar 2 lol

  12. #32
    Hahaha this is my favourite complaint about SL. There were so many forum threads whinging about "muh pruning" "muh class fantasy" "muh empty action bars" and telling Blizzard that Far Sight was totally useless but "shaman deserve to have it". So, unpruning comes around, people get useless spells back (which is exactly what they asked for, don't try to revisionist history your way out of that fact), and then they complain about having useless spells. It's like everyone has the memory of a fucking goldfish, and they've forgotten why these abilities were removed or made spec-specific in the first place.

    Those abilities existing in your spellbook doesn't mean anything. Not everything you have is made to be rotational, or even useful. People wanted "flavour", now you have flavour, and you're complaining that you don't want it anymore. It's genuinely hilarious at this point - next expansion will have no systems added on top of talents/gear and you'll all be here crying about how it's a "core feature" of expansions to have borrowed power and you need something to grind on top of your class-specific stuff. Can't wait!

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanu View Post
    they listened to feeback, people like all their extra-niche supre situational skills even if just for rp/flavour reasons
    except thats not remotely the case,there never were completly useless abilities,sure there are situational stuff like eyes of the beast or whatever,but even that had a use,stuff like flametongue for elemental has ZERO use,even wile lvling...the fact is all these abilities are just for the sake of the devs saying ''uhuhu we listetened guys so shut up now''...its obvious they are joking with these abilities,its rather sad that they have such disgust of their players

    its even worse with rets,they took 3 pasives they alredy had...and made them auras hahahaha,that you have to CHOSE hahahaha...oh boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by caramel0rar0 View Post
    Yo guys, I talk about the Flametongue Weapon and the Primal Strike, and I talk about elemental specialization.

    I mean, it's like those two skills may deal like 200 dmg on a fight where you dealed 500k dmg. I mean, it's a negligible amount of damage.

    Do you see any way to give use to these skills? I don't even enchant my weapon, it's like spending 1 second on an unnecesary skill.

    I'm sure you can see any good uses to these skills, so please, explain me.
    its not that they deal low dmg,its that they have no use,you wont use primal strike as ele instead of casting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Blizz removed "useless" skills.. people raged "Too much removing/pruning" and now in shadowlands they do an "Un-pruning" and still some people complain.

    Why can we not just be happy ?
    except the stuff they removed were not useless,primal strike for ele is LITERALY useless,its obviously a joke from the devs adding these spells,they think the player base is THAT dumb
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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    All I can say is at least for Shaman the useless unpruned hasn't become a core part of the rotation.
    That's because they reremoved searing totem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Hahaha this is my favourite complaint about SL. There were so many forum threads whinging about "muh pruning" "muh class fantasy" "muh empty action bars" and telling Blizzard that Far Sight was totally useless but "shaman deserve to have it". So, unpruning comes around, people get useless spells back (which is exactly what they asked for, don't try to revisionist history your way out of that fact), and then they complain about having useless spells. It's like everyone has the memory of a fucking goldfish, and they've forgotten why these abilities were removed or made spec-specific in the first place.
    The problem isn't (or shouldn't be) re-adding useless skills, I doubt if they just randomly did it during a patch anyone would notice or care.

    The problem is Blizzard sold the unpruning as a 'feature' of the expansion as a lazy low dev time way to weaponise nostalgia to bump box sales. Under those circumstances yes readding stuff you will literally never use is a shitty move (well more shitty then trying to sell old spells as a feature).
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  16. #36
    It's just beyond stupid.

    I have leveled 2 chars to 50 so far, doing my third one now, which is a hunter and I am leveling survival.

    Some genius thought adding steady shot and arcane shot to survival was a good idea.
    I am beyond stunned at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draknalor186 View Post
    Blizz removed "useless" skills.. people raged "Too much removing/pruning" and now in shadowlands they do an "Un-pruning" and still some people complain.

    Why can we not just be happy ?
    because they still can't do it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Hahaha this is my favourite complaint about SL. There were so many forum threads whinging about "muh pruning" "muh class fantasy" "muh empty action bars" and telling Blizzard that Far Sight was totally useless but "shaman deserve to have it". So, unpruning comes around, people get useless spells back (which is exactly what they asked for, don't try to revisionist history your way out of that fact), and then they complain about having useless spells. It's like everyone has the memory of a fucking goldfish, and they've forgotten why these abilities were removed or made spec-specific in the first place.

    Those abilities existing in your spellbook doesn't mean anything. Not everything you have is made to be rotational, or even useful. People wanted "flavour", now you have flavour, and you're complaining that you don't want it anymore. It's genuinely hilarious at this point - next expansion will have no systems added on top of talents/gear and you'll all be here crying about how it's a "core feature" of expansions to have borrowed power and you need something to grind on top of your class-specific stuff. Can't wait!
    I have noticed that activision barely funds the devs and people making this game. this is the result of underpaid devs choosing some of the most mentioned abilities and adding it to everything without bothering to update it for new content. the death spiral of this game is getting much more pronounced

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by shammypie View Post
    I have noticed that activision barely funds the devs and people making this game. this is the result of underpaid devs choosing some of the most mentioned abilities and adding it to everything without bothering to update it for new content. the death spiral of this game is getting much more pronounced
    Lmao yeah and you've "noticed" this how? "Noticed" as in you work at ATVI in a managerial position and therefore know the total funding budget for WoW development? Or "noticed" as in you pulled it out of your ass but it fits your own preconceived idea of what's going on and it's therefore factual?

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    Every class has completely pointless spells.

    That's 2020 Blizzard for you.
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    That's Blizz Devs nowadays, get used to it. They've unpruned shit, so that we'll complain, then they'll use our complaints to justify themselves. "See, you don't want those spells, right ? The Great Pruning #2 arrives".

    Just the same mind trick they've done with Master Loot. They've made Personal Loot the baseline and approximately the only solution for PUGs, then a few months later they've shown stats saying Personal Loot is more broadly used than Master Loot (no shit Sherlock), so they've removed ML entirely. Shifting the blame on the playerbase for something they already decided months ago.

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