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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrim View Post
    A few of Blizzard's biggest names have already mentioned that stuff inside is not allright and that the corporation is pressuring them way too much. But sure, keep those pinkshade glasses, and live under the impression that Blizzard are not a total fuck up right now. Everybody has a right to have a personal opinion.
    I just like how these people have actual firsthand accounts/facts presented to them about that matter from current and former employees yet choose to say it's not real..... like what?!

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    They assumed they could do it on that date, but decided it wouldn't be at a standard they want it to be at. There might even be internal issues we are not made aware of. Maybe 5 people in the Dev department caught the virus and had to lie flat for weeks or they had sick or even dying family members to attend to (hopefully neither). Whatever the case, your rant is inappropriate for the situation we are in at the moment.



    No of course, there is basically no difference working in an office on high-tech PCs with input sharing from face to face and spitballing ideas in the cafeteria to sitting alone at home, maybe with a chat window open, trying to somehow please a toxic community such as this one. No difference at all.

    Yes, the gaming industry has gotten some extra dollars because of people not able to leave their homes, but that goes for finished games. For production they face the same issues most other office workers face.

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    We haven't even heard him say a single word... geezus... how about for once, only once we are not passing judgement over the entire expansion before it has started? Just once would be cool, thanks.
    sry that was for the lore section, but to comment this, he indeed said some words in the beta, we do not see cinematics.

    The dude does not feel like a super villain in the beta, and it will need a lot of "magic" to change this once SL is live, i bet.

    For me the Jailer looks and feels like a placeholder, but thats a discussion for the lore section.

    But, i wasn't happy with argus either as the final boss of legion, so i am biased i guess.

  3. #103
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    Blizzard isnt the problem, you are if you are this hatefull towards all their products why do you keep supporting them, all bark no bite.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrim View Post
    I'm usually not the one to be negative about Blizzard, but I have to admit, they legitimely deserve everything bit of hate.

    First they fucked up the SL launch. Then they gave us a prepatch of the prepatch - there's litterally nothing else to do other than level alts. After that we couldn't play for a few days due to login issues and moronic ques of 1000 people which just disconnect you in the end and restart the queue process. And last night we couldn't even quest normally (apparently Draenor became too popular and servers can't keep up).

    WTF are you doing Blizz? What do you lack? Experience? Money? Why can't you do 1 thing right? Why can't you just hire some extra staff and servers temporarily and stop that fuck-fest for once?!

    And should I even mention classes? Shoving them from the sky into the deep undergrounds. Ruining brilliant abilities and their mechanics. Giving classes downtime instead of making their gameplay fluid. What kind of people do they have on the designer team really? A bunch of 12yo?

    Wait, maybe the story? Ummmm...not! Nothing new ladies and gentlemen! That's right, still the same'ol'Sylvie. Still a bunch of stuff happen that only start to make sense 6 years later.

    Shall we go further back? How about Diablo for mobile huh? Or OW2 which is literally a DLC to the first game? Or the completely pointless remasters which almost nobody bothers with?

    I was thinking to only throw a few words into my post, but look at the size of these few words. Jesus Blizzard just stop fucking up already. We waited you to milk enough money already, is it not about time to sit down on your behinds and give us something meaningful in return now ?!
    This is hilarious lol.

    If you've played through any expansion release and logged in during the prepatch you'd realize there's always errors on DAy One.

    if you paid attention to the news you'd understand that the prepatch is being released in waves and they explicitly said that "They'd be releasing the core systems of the prepatch while we waited for the new release date"

    No real examples for the classes, just bitching


    Cringeworthy Sylvanas hate

    More blizzard complaints regarding popular games that actually make them money (While you probably aren't even subbed)

    This is just another Blizzard-is-bad-because-i-said-so thread. If you're still subbed and having so much unenjoyment then maybe it's time to hang it up. If youre unsubbed it's probably super unhealthy to hold onto all that anger. Coming to MMO-C is like sitting outside of your Exes house. Either way, you need to make a personal change because this wall of tears is just silly

  5. #105
    You dudes just need to relax.

    Game is delayed? Boo-hoo, go play something else for a while, or entertain yourselves with something else? Maybe concern yourselves a bit with current world events and what's been happening. A videogame not being released on plan or having issues is so minor that this sort of whining and outrage just comes across as being absolutely absurd and nonsensical.

    also, if you don't enjoy it, stop playing and paying? done!

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrim View Post
    I'm usually not the one to be negative about Blizzard, but I have to admit, they legitimely deserve everything bit of hate.

    First they fucked up the SL launch. Then they gave us a prepatch of the prepatch - there's litterally nothing else to do other than level alts. After that we couldn't play for a few days due to login issues and moronic ques of 1000 people which just disconnect you in the end and restart the queue process. And last night we couldn't even quest normally (apparently Draenor became too popular and servers can't keep up).

    WTF are you doing Blizz? What do you lack? Experience? Money? Why can't you do 1 thing right? Why can't you just hire some extra staff and servers temporarily and stop that fuck-fest for once?!

    And should I even mention classes? Shoving them from the sky into the deep undergrounds. Ruining brilliant abilities and their mechanics. Giving classes downtime instead of making their gameplay fluid. What kind of people do they have on the designer team really? A bunch of 12yo?

    Wait, maybe the story? Ummmm...not! Nothing new ladies and gentlemen! That's right, still the same'ol'Sylvie. Still a bunch of stuff happen that only start to make sense 6 years later.

    Shall we go further back? How about Diablo for mobile huh? Or OW2 which is literally a DLC to the first game? Or the completely pointless remasters which almost nobody bothers with?

    I was thinking to only throw a few words into my post, but look at the size of these few words. Jesus Blizzard just stop fucking up already. We waited you to milk enough money already, is it not about time to sit down on your behinds and give us something meaningful in return now ?!
    ......man qq lol jesus its a pre-patch and with all the changes, issues were to be expected. sounds like you havent been playing WoW long AT ALL!

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrim View Post
    If you've read it, you would see that not everyone here shares specifically your opinion. Now can you please back off?
    Oh yes, there's you who disagrees with the rest of the thread.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    You dudes just need to relax.

    Game is delayed? Boo-hoo, go play something else for a while, or entertain yourselves with something else? Maybe concern yourselves a bit with current world events and what's been happening. A videogame not being released on plan or having issues is so minor that this sort of whining and outrage just comes across as being absolutely absurd and nonsensical.

    also, if you don't enjoy it, stop playing and paying? done!
    facts! i think these newer players just dont know about all issues we usually face on patch days lol pre-patch scourge event will hit after

  9. #109
    >Giving classes downtime instead of making their gameplay fluid.
    I have to agree so hard on this one. I just want to be gcd capped again. Most classes feeling clunky outside of bloodlust until deep into the expansion is so fucking bad and clunky. I hate it.

  10. #110
    Some remasters are great. Even bad "remasters" that are basically ports are perfectly fine at a reduced price.

    What happened with Warcraft III is an entirely new type of remaster screw up, and all remasters should not be demonized because Blizzard messed up. I want to clearly defend remasters without defending Blizzard because I cannot defend the Warcraft III reforged.

    Also, I don't think anyone would mind a high quality remaster of a classic, even if no one asked for it. Bad remasters which cause the game to be worse than the original game are rare exceptions. Some of my favorite games are remasters, like the Dragon's Dogma remaster which allowed me to experience an excellent game I'd not played before. I'd love to see a Bloodborne remaster on PS5. All I'm saying is that remasters themselves are not bad, nor do they denote a lack of new ideas. They can be homages.

    A perfect example, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2 just came out, EXCELLENT remaster/remake/reimagining that takes some liberties with the original game. Clearly love, time, and money were involved, and it turned into an excellent product. The Tony Hawk combo game is absolutely a good justification for reimagining classics, imo. Xenoblade Chronicles definitive edition is another high end product and so is The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening to name a couple of good ones. I hear the SotC remake is great on PS4 too. I'll definitely try out the Mass Effect trilogy again if they remaster it. Of course RE2 was a full on remake from ground up, but it was still excellent IMO. I would LOVE to see a Metroid Prime trilogy remaster on the Switch.
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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Zenfoldor View Post
    Some remasters are great. Even bad "remasters" that are basically ports are perfectly fine at a reduced price.

    What happened with Warcraft III is an entirely new type of remaster screw up, and all remasters should not be demonized because Blizzard messed up. I want to clearly defend remasters without defending Blizzard because I cannot defend the Warcraft III reforged.

    Also, I don't think anyone would mind a high quality remaster of a classic, even if no one asked for it. Bad remasters which cause the game to be worse than the original game are rare exceptions. Some of my favorite games are remasters, like the Dragon's Dogma remaster which allowed me to experience an excellent game I'd not played before. I'd love to see a Bloodborne remaster on PS5.
    WC3 Reforged is literally an exception. They flat out lied about features, stole custom games from creators because they're still salty about DOTA, forced older WC3 owners to use the crappy new client, numerous bugs that still aren't fixed, disconnections during official tournaments and the list goes on.

    Of course it hasn't ruined remasters for me. But Blizzard have ruined a great classic title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasLehner View Post
    Literally their co-founder and CEO left and built a new company, and their statement said:

    “We’re almost trying to create a haven for creators who want an environment that is development friendly, values product, and player experience over short-term financial pressures,”
    I don't have anything personal against Mike Morhaine...but he was the guy who worked on, pushed and approved the Activison Blizzard deal. So...yeah right, suddenly that guy is the saint?

    And the line you quoted is just standard bullshit. What company would write in their goals "We’re almost trying to create hell for creators and push out shitty products that still get players addicted but don't cost us much money so we can really get rich"

    Though...are you sure you quoted the guy right? “We’re almost trying to create a haven..."? "almost"? Like they aren't really trying?

    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    that like like the by product of some 1 taking a 10 minuet brake on the crapper

    backl on topic blizz is complicated its done many stupid things that has destroyed its reputation but none are as bad as ignoring beta testers feedback
    Yeah, we know this thing of "ignoring feedback" - as if any company can react on every bit of feedback.

    I keep repeating this like a mantra, but as any question here and you get tons of different opinion. No feedback ever is clear cut.

    Another example: People kept giving the "feedback" that levelling takes to long. Now we are getting "feedback" that after listening, levelling is too fast and meaningless

    Yeah..."not listening to feedback" - the big argument in a community that wants thousands of different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Sylvanus is literally in Shadowlands for 10 seconds and hasn't shown up since.
    That's still too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual Boy View Post
    and somehow I am the troll. Great "this is fine" post I laughed thank you.
    I mean given the wild exaggeration and wacky sentiments, yeah, you said it. I mean, dude, you said they didn't even have enough developers anymore to call themselves a dev studio, when they have somewhere in the high hundreds to possibly a thousand or more devs. Which several normal studios worth of devs. That kind of exaggeration and shenanigans can't be taken seriously.

    Whether it's fine or not the idea that Blizzard are doomed seems to be based solely on you pre-deciding that you're going to hate SL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CreatureLives View Post
    Why is everyone acting like there hasn't been a pandemic going on for most of the year?

    Or course it was going to affect development.
    My thoughts exactly. People are too stuck up their own asses to realize the very real situation that the entire world has been in since the beginning of the year.

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    They are, and they are hemorrhaging staff left and right as Mike is basically snagging as many Blizzard people as he can now.
    Yes, I'm sure SL will be the last expansion and literally nobody will be left working on the game before too long.








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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthiasLehner View Post
    Literally their co-founder and CEO left and built a new company, and their statement said:

    “We’re almost trying to create a haven for creators who want an environment that is development friendly, values product, and player experience over short-term financial pressures,”

    Acti-Blizzard is not a development/player-oriented studio anymore, it's a mega corporate that exists solely for money. And this is without pointing at them as some evil manufacturer. They are doing what they're doing as a corporate. Cut corners as much as possible, make products for profit and profit only, and try to give us, the players, candies that give us a dose to subscribe again because "see? they didn't change, they listen to us."

    Most of the founding members literally couldn't stand how their company has changed and left, this is already nuffsaid, sadly.
    This is such a silly and fake point.

    Which really major dev studios/publishers that have been around for 15+ years are still run by "most of" the founding members? Go on, name them, I'll wait. It's going to be a long wait because it's basically none of them except fucking Bethesda, who are exactly the kind of money-grubbers you're complaining about!

    It doesn't have anything to do with studios/publishers changing. It has to do with devs making fucking giant stacks of cash, and deciding to leave to pursue passion-projects instead of mainstream ones. Many of them don't even go into games when they left. For example, the Bioware founders left, and neither of them had actually been involved with the games for years, one of them had been spending 90% of his time running his brewery, and I forget what the other one was doing, but people like you threw a giant tantrum when they did. I guess because they thought in the 10% of his time the dude wasn't running his brewery, he was ensuring Bioware games were great?! Some ridiculous shit.

    CDPR isn't even that old really, and one of the main founders has already stopped being involved with games and is running his restaurant full-time (even though I believe he is still credited and paid by CDPR).

    And look at the studios various ex-Blizzard people have set up, have any of them produced any games? No. Have any of them got to the point where it seems likely they might actually release a game? No. (Unless you count the Blizzard North people who left Diablo 2, and before WoW.)

    Hell, if they do, how long, exactly do you think it will be until we hear about crunch at Dreamhaven? I'm sure Mike will be like "It's not my fault, it's the dev studios (Moonshot and Secret Door). How long until we see MTX or other dubious marketing approaches from them?

    Also I love how people like you think this is some computer game industry thing where these super-creative "artistes" become horrified by the corporate-ness, and that leaving a big company to go set up your own isn't something that happens in virtually every industry, from law to manufacturing.
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  17. #117
    Yeah it would probably help if everyone that complains about wow didnt pay for the game, subs, mounts, boosts, pets and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    They are, and they are hemorrhaging staff left and right as Mike is basically snagging as many Blizzard people as he can now.
    Maybe you should read Dreamhaven's actual staff list, instead of making up weird fantasies?

    https://www.dreamhaven.com/about

    They don't even have 20 actual devs (even by the most generous definition) from Blizzard. I'm not sure they even have 15. And this is with Mike Morhaime and Shane Dabiri being there.

    But it's more fun to make stuff up and panic about it I guess.
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Greengrim View Post
    They confirmed the launch after/during the pandemic. This means they must have taken into consideration the fact that most people work from home, and ONLY THEN give out the date.

    Also programmers and designers are the least affected by the pandemic honestly to say. The whole gaming insdustry is generally thriving ever since the pandemic.
    Gaming industry is thriving because people are at home buying/playing games, not because its easier for developers to work.

    I know there are many people saying what you just did, but where i work we certainly didnt have an easy time dealing with corona. There is a lot more going into these things then just sitting at your pc and programming all day long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Has nothing to do with Blizzard and 100% to do with Activision and the pressure they are constantly putting on the Blizzard teams to perform.

    Doesn't matter anyways this could be the final wow expansion if enough of the team move over to Dreamhaven (people have been leaving in droves fyi) I think it is just a matter of time before WoW begins to underperform and Activision decides to sell the IP and hopefully Mike wants it back.

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    They are, and they are hemorrhaging staff left and right as Mike is basically snagging as many Blizzard people as he can now.
    There is a grand total of 2 developers from blizzard. One of them only worked on HotS. The rest are ui , hr, and operations people.

    Mike made the ultimate coward move and ran away while blaming everything on everyone else. I only see a gain from Blizzard in this.

    :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Maybe you should read Dreamhaven's actual staff list, instead of making up weird fantasies?

    https://www.dreamhaven.com/about

    They don't even have 20 actual devs (even by the most generous definition) from Blizzard. I'm not sure they even have 15. And this is with Mike Morhaime and Shane Dabiri being there.

    But it's more fun to make stuff up and panic about it I guess.
    Blizzard is hemorrhaging staff even if they haven't joined Dreamhaven yet. Mike has been scalping people too. They don't have to post all their people in the site, if you think they will you are fooling yourself.
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