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  1. #121
    I dont see how hard it is to just put stuff like this on a Dalaran-vendor for gold as well, so you can earn in-game currency to buy stuff like the store-mounts if you want.

  2. #122
    Man, people's standards have fallen. They'll celebrate Blizzard's ability to ask you to pay for an expansion and a sub and use that money in part to develop armor and mounts that they can then sell to you or others again.

    I can't be too critical since I was there defending it and proclaiming it wouldn't ever get as bad as it is today when the sparklepony was introduced, so I share a part in it, but it's still depressing.

  3. #123
    Well its nice for all those who have an inner fairy they want to let out I guess.

    But sell it for gold on a vendor instead of trying to milk the in-game store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    I agree that unique mounts should be obtainable in game, but they should be like the plagued proto drake from the Naxx achievement in Wotlk. They should only be obtainable by doing the achievement while it's relevant in that expansion. If someone can't obtain the mount during the expansion of its release, it should be removed from the game when the next expansion launches.
    Fair enough. I'd say the Longboi, Spider, Ashes of Alar and many many more qualify. The coolest mounts IMHO are in game and all my characters ride them. Even the Karazhan mount, the Worldbreaker...all better than shop mounts.

    I occasionally use the Fey Dragon...so...yeah...that is a pretty cool and unique shop mount. But other than that...hell..that two headed dragon or whatever it is shop mount? Drops re-colored in Darkshore now. What a waste of 25 Euros.

    Maybe the flying pig is unique (but also silly), but I fly on the Elegon mount or the Riddler or Mailmuncher any day over a shop mount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    I feel like if people here (and certainly the general player base) understood the scale most boosting communities operate with these days they would be aghast at how everything is for sale.
    It is crazy indeed, but I doubt ppl think of it. Since pre-patch there is constant boosts and mount sales on my server, going every 30 mins or once per hr. Jaina mount (300k) N'Zoth mythic (600k) and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidhjerta View Post
    Well its nice for all those who have an inner fairy they want to let out I guess.

    But sell it for gold on a vendor instead of trying to milk the in-game store.
    Buy tokens with your gold. Add to b.net balance. There..you got it with gold.

    Still beyond the point though IMHO. I mean..who the hell is seriously spending 20 dollars on this when you get it for free with a six month sub? Who thinks Wow is so bad, they will only play o1 or 2 months, yet waste 20 dollars on this "unique" transmog?

    Oh sure, I hear you say...somebody will. But then we are at this saying about a fool and his money and I really cannot worry about all the idiots in the world who waste their money. And they are free to. All adults, earned it themselves....can do what they want with it. And would rightfully berate anyone who tries to stop them.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    they already have crapload of mounts just on gold vendor bcs they dont want to lock it behind content... and those shop mounts wouldnt be in-game rewards if there was no shop, they would simply not exist...

    not liking the cash shop in sub game is fine, but this reason is just objectively wrong...
    I believe they meant that (most) unique looking mounts in the store have no counterpart ingame. Example: "Hey guys, look at this brand new flying pig, just 20 bucks! Get it now!"

    Meanwhile ingame: "So here's 3 new frog mounts. They don't fly and each cost one third of a million. Also we're adding a strikingly similar mount to them the very next expansion "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I can't be too critical since I was there defending it and proclaiming it wouldn't ever get as bad as it is today when the sparklepony was introduced, so I share a part in it, but it's still depressing.
    Guess you were just too optimistic. Wonder how much of this up to this point was Activision though, even if the cash shop was introduced before they bought Blizz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromell View Post

    Guess you were just too optimistic. Wonder how much of this up to this point was Activision though, even if the cash shop was introduced before they bought Blizz.
    I think Blizzard does not need help in saying "Hell, where can we get more money from"

    Or do you think if it wasn't for Activision that meanwhile Blizzard would have lowered the sub price to 5 dollars and made all x-pacs a free download? As you said...the shop was introduced pre Activison and don't anyone come here and claim "Vivendi made them do it"

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Chromell View Post
    I believe they meant that (most) unique looking mounts in the store have no counterpart ingame. Example: "Hey guys, look at this brand new flying pig, just 20 bucks! Get it now!"

    Meanwhile ingame: "So here's 3 new frog mounts. They don't fly and each cost one third of a million.
    yeah and they are about milion times prettier and cooler than that flying pig or most shop mounts imo
    and i would maybe agree that its a problem, if we constantly get recolors ingame, but how many unique and cool looking mounts we get in BFA? just of the top of my head thats frog, hyena, that bloody nazmir flying thing, crawg, parrot. mechagon mounts, brutosaur and the best one CRAB and thats literaly just what i can think of in a minute...

    but still, sure the shop mounts are more detailed, more work put into them - bcs they will increase revenue...
    if they put a mount ingame for idk, 10k wq done, that wouldnt make them more money, so they wouldnt put so much resources in it...
    puting more resources into something that will not at least make as much to make it even is clear loss, thats basic economics, people keep living in dreamland if they think those detailed mounts would be ingame, if there was no cash shop, those models would simply not exist...
    so if the shop was removed, ingame rewards quality would not suddenly rise, it would be the same ingame, just people who WANT (and not "need" as there is literaly no advantage in buying shop mounts) would loose the oportunity, and some cool looking mounts... so only people affected negatively by existence of shop are those outraged by someone else buying something they dont want (or something they want for free)

  8. #128
    Even if you use the gold for it, someone still paid real money to get that token. It doesn't make a difference to Blizzard if you buy it with gold or not. Gold is an in-game currency, the argument should never be "just use in-game money for real life money value".

  9. #129
    Why do people freak out about Wow having a cashshop when every other subgame and thier mother has one with a thousands times more items and special content in them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    "It's earnable ingame, you just have to buy the tokens and convert them into out-of-game cash," is a facetious argument and we both know it, OP. When people say they want cash shop items to be obtainable ingame, they mean through more than letting Auctionator play the AH for them for a few weeks and bringing out-of-game transactions into the equation at all.
    Then why do people constantly buy shit on the ah instead of farming it? If someone buys the jeweler cats from the ah instead of earning it themselves its the same as someone using the ah to get wow tokens and buy some mount or transmog with wow tokens.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacewalrus2010 View Post
    Not that I agree with the OP, but this is an odd argument. If someone's money is so tight that they can't afford a six month sub, then they can't afford having a WoW sub in the first place. Upfront cost or not.
    That doesn't even make sense, even If someone has a tight week they could still afford a sub at $14.99 vs $77 up front.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Why do people freak out about Wow having a cashshop when every other subgame and thier mother has one with a thousands times more items and special content in them?
    that's how it works. you start small and add little bits here and there, at every step of the way "oh it's not so bad compared to x", until a few years later and suddenly all the good stuff is on the store and they bring out a new $20+ thing every month, and we'll probably reach that point in shadowlands considering were at 1 thing every 3 months in BFA.

    but hey at least i haven't heard a developer say "gaming has never been cheaper" for a couple of years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    that's how it works. you start small and add little bits here and there, at every step of the way "oh it's not so bad compared to x", until a few years later and suddenly all the good stuff is on the store and they bring out a new $20+ thing every month, and we'll probably reach that point in shadowlands considering were at 1 thing every 3 months in BFA.

    but hey at least i haven't heard a developer say "gaming has never been cheaper" for a couple of years now.
    The cash shop helps supplement the number of players needed to be worth creating new content. Personally I'd rather still be playing wow in 15 years with my sub getting me free stuff while dave buys the new mount from the cash shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    The cash shop helps supplement the number of players needed to be worth creating new content. Personally I'd rather still be playing wow in 15 years with my sub getting me free stuff while dave buys the new mount from the cash shop.
    i believe that argument for games that make a reasonable 20% profit, but most games that pull this sort of crap aim for minimum 40% profit margins at which point the amount of good arguments really starts to dry up and start to rely on case by case context.

    the increased amount of MTX certainly doesn't seem to correlate to the quality/quantity of content that comes out, and player numbers have been fairly stable last couple of years so it's not really to offset loss of players.

    honestly with how blizzard is at the moment, you'd be hard pressed to even make the opportunity cost of making another game argument.
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  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidhjerta View Post
    I dont see how hard it is to just put stuff like this on a Dalaran-vendor for gold as well, so you can earn in-game currency to buy stuff like the store-mounts if you want.
    There is a huge difference in doing this, since token prices are variable depending on demand (it is not always the same amount of gold to purchase the same value in blizzard store credit), and on top of that, gold is not lost. Meaning that if you were to give your gold to a vendor, that gold is just deleted from the market (that´s mainly why they keep adding gold sinks like longboi), whereas whenever you purchase a token with gold, your gold goes to another person.

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    I don't necessarily think this was intended to be a Store set, but whoever was in charge of their PR and Marketing must realise that something as divisive as selling a transmog set on the store (tied to a six month sub) was a bad idea when they'd decided to delay Shadowlands. I'm sure they'll remember the backlast they recieved from the helms back in MoP when people were being kicked from Raids for transmogging to them.

    The issue with the Store is how far is it willing to go. We've had it with Warlords where most of the mounts in game were recolours (I think about 5 of the same wolf) and two completely unique and HQ store mounts and after BFA where transmog has been debatebly some of the worst in recent times (Azshara raid anyone?) a set with high fidelity gets placed on the store. I feel the slippery slope argument is the biggest issue with this, why add Mythic Raid transmogs when you could them in the store and make a tidy profit selling it? It's a concern of many players that a pay to play game is adding more things to the store rather than in game.

    The backlash from this has already been clear, the YouTube video is very negative in terms of likes/dislikes, I've heard of people being kicked from groups for wearing it and I've seen people being /spit on as well in a city. Obviously this is a step up from the helms and the first this has been done as an option solo. The only other full transmog set was the Blizzcon outfit.

    Personally, I don't like where this is going at all. I'm concerned about the likelihood of a set I think looks cool going to the store instead of earned in game, it was my first reaction and disappointment with the Fae Dragon mount. I won't get this as part of the sub, I pay using tokens converted to Battle.net Balance and Blizzard doesn't allow players to get the mounts/pets/transmog with that method anymore. I might eventually get this set, along with other things near Christmas, as Blizzard usually has a sale around then. I pay for everything with Gold now and have for a while, so financially it's not an issue personally. However I just hope to see no other transmogs in the store and a dedication to rewards earned in game being higher quality than most of BFA.
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  16. #136
    They stop making tier sets to focus on 4 per tier (1 for each armor type) that still look worse than most of the old class sets. Now they start selling transmog right after delaying an expansion. Is there really a question as to why people are upset at this? It should at least be free to anyone who had SL pre-ordered when they announced the delay.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Buy tokens with your gold. Add to b.net balance. There..you got it with gold.

    Still beyond the point though IMHO. I mean..who the hell is seriously spending 20 dollars on this when you get it for free with a six month sub? Who thinks Wow is so bad, they will only play o1 or 2 months, yet waste 20 dollars on this "unique" transmog?

    Oh sure, I hear you say...somebody will. But then we are at this saying about a fool and his money and I really cannot worry about all the idiots in the world who waste their money. And they are free to. All adults, earned it themselves....can do what they want with it. And would rightfully berate anyone who tries to stop them.
    Or just add more mounts to vendors instead of putting stuff on the in-game shop, you can tell they put more detail in many of the items only available through the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Errete View Post
    There is a huge difference in doing this, since token prices are variable depending on demand (it is not always the same amount of gold to purchase the same value in blizzard store credit), and on top of that, gold is not lost. Meaning that if you were to give your gold to a vendor, that gold is just deleted from the market (that´s mainly why they keep adding gold sinks like longboi), whereas whenever you purchase a token with gold, your gold goes to another person.
    Why does it need to be purchased with a token specifically, rather than your own earned gold?
    It is not like the possibility to earn gold by the regular ways disappeared when the wow-token came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidhjerta View Post
    Or just add more mounts to vendors instead of putting stuff on the in-game shop, you can tell they put more detail in many of the items only available through the shop.
    Sure, I guess they could put this transmog and mounts also on vendors for gold equivalent to the shop price. Wouldn't bother me.

    I also think it won't stop the complaints. See an awesome mount / transmog in game on a vendor and surely ppl will complain how they did it to boost token sales

    As for detail...just looking at my fresh lv 50 Magthar shaman and that in game armour has pretty sweet detail. So...as with requests before that went unanswered, I'd like examples of mounts in the shop that just blow stuff in game out of the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metriss View Post
    They stop making tier sets to focus on 4 per tier (1 for each armor type) that still look worse than most of the old class sets. Now they start selling transmog right after delaying an expansion. Is there really a question as to why people are upset at this? It should at least be free to anyone who had SL pre-ordered when they announced the delay.
    People for hundreds of posts tell us how fugly the set is and it is free to anyone with a 6 month sub. Add an incentive to a pre-order and what would change? The same people who complain now would complain how a nice reward is just a predatory tactic to get stupid ppl to part with their money.

    Just think back to the annual pass: 12 months for the price of 10. Free mount. Free Diablo 3. Yep...people still complained how they were "tricked"

  19. #139
    Usually stuff that ends up on the store for real life money end up there for different motives than just Blizzard making a new mount for you to get. Can't really say i'm bothered about mounts being on there but I understand why some people are passionately against it.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Sure, I guess they could put this transmog and mounts also on vendors for gold equivalent to the shop price. Wouldn't bother me.

    I also think it won't stop the complaints. See an awesome mount / transmog in game on a vendor and surely ppl will complain how they did it to boost token sales

    As for detail...just looking at my fresh lv 50 Magthar shaman and that in game armour has pretty sweet detail. So...as with requests before that went unanswered, I'd like examples of mounts in the shop that just blow stuff in game out of the water.

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    People for hundreds of posts tell us how fugly the set is and it is free to anyone with a 6 month sub. Add an incentive to a pre-order and what would change? The same people who complain now would complain how a nice reward is just a predatory tactic to get stupid ppl to part with their money.

    Just think back to the annual pass: 12 months for the price of 10. Free mount. Free Diablo 3. Yep...people still complained how they were "tricked"
    I dont think people would complain if things would be attainable in-game for gold rather than on the in-game shop.
    Nobody complains about PvP sets being available for marks of honor for example, or the trial of style sets.

    I think thats a better way to go about it than putting it on a store for $$$ when customers already pay a monthly sub-fee.

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