San Francisco Passes the CAREN Act

[muto]

Good luck with that holding up in court. I could actually see crime going up because people will be afraid to call in suspicious activity.

[Monster Hunter]

Obviously they aren't 100% effective was deterrents, but to pretend they are 0% effective is ridiculous.

A law its self is meaningless, the deterent and effectiveness of the deterent is how its enforced and also to a degree the publics will to allow it to be enforced.

There's numerous laws in my own country I and every on else here break on regular basis, and I'm not talking about some old forgotten ones, its well known that the max speed limit in the UK is 70mph but its also well know the police don't bother pulling people over for anything under 80-85 because simply put there so many people who do that on the motorway its impossible to enforce, thus the law in that case is essentially meaningless as a deterent, they could lower the speed limit to 60 or 50 on the motorway but it wouldn't matter.

Legislation is and always has been a very poor method for effecting changes in the publics behaviour.

Extra Laws ontop of the laws that already exist for this behaviour won't deter these people, what there doing is already illegal anyway.

What this is, is just a legislative token gesture, European governments and my own government pump these out fairly regularly, new laws ontop of old laws, bits of amendments, clarifying, expanding categorys blah blah, I've seen hindered of laws passed in my life time exactly like this one and I'll see a hundred more before I'm gone, non of them make any real difference.

The social changes needed to stamp out an abhorant behaviour can only come from within a society, they cannot be imposed on it.

[Elegiac]

Good luck with that holding up in court. I could actually see crime going up because people will be afraid to call in suspicious activity.

I'm already hesitant to call in law enforcement, but that's mainly a function of me not wanting to be complicit in one of my neighbors being shot by police.

[Shadowferal]

Obviously they aren't 100% effective was deterrents, but to pretend they are 0% effective is ridiculous.

If not one extreme, it has to be the other?

[the game]

Why do people in San Francisco call 911 for racism? They should be arrested for it.

[postman1782]

Why do people in San Francisco call 911 for racism? They should be arrested for it.

It isn't just San Francisco, racist Karens all over the country do it.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

They spelled "Karen" wrong.


Law is now literally unfollowable.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I don't know how it works in the US. But does seem pointless have 2 laws for the same thing.

In the uk we have a law and then tiers of mitigating circumstance and gritting circumstance that alter the min and max sentence, there no specific crime called a hate crime in the UK, instead we have it as an agrivating circumstance for all crimes, so any crime committed if it shown to be motivated racism or homohobia etc the max sentence and min sentence gets raised.that way there's no need for hundreds of specific laws

Well I like that the U.K has ASBO laws in general however my problem here is with the redundancy and and legislating laws that really don't mean anything especially when there are already laws not being used. More is not better here, and especially when dealing with a cultural problem

Laws are good, but they can't be used in place of good policy.

[Felya]

They spelled "Karen" wrong.

Law is now literally unfollowable.

I just don’t think they kare enough...

They got Mortal Kombat writers and are over compensating...

With you being Kalamity, you should understand.

[Monster Hunter]

Well I like that the U.K has ASBO laws in general however my problem here is with the redundancy and and legislating laws that really don't mean anything especially when there are already laws not being used. More is not better here, and especially when dealing with a cultural problem

Laws are good, but they can't be used in place of good policy.

I totally agree

[Huehuecoyotl]

Why do people in San Francisco call 911 for racism? They should be arrested for it.

Calling 911 for racism is part of the problem. The other part is that the call is going to a bunch of other racists WITH GUNS.

[Hammerfest]

This is a problem in San Francisco?

[Shadowferal]

Hmf...it's San Francisco.
The thinking is a little off there.

[Shadowferal]

Of course they work as a deterrent for some, just not for all. You really think the rate of crime today would be the exact same if there were zero laws tomorrow?

A deterrent for some only if shown to be enforced.

[Shadowferal]

And laws in the US aren't enforced?

Topic please.
Have people been arrested for calling/complaining about perceived racism before enactment of this particular law?

[muto]

I'm already hesitant to call in law enforcement, but that's mainly a function of me not wanting to be complicit in one of my neighbors being shot by police.

Don’t worry there’s probably a better chance of them getting hit by a Tsunami while living in Iowa.

[Yadryonych]

You really think the rate of crime today would be the exact same if there were zero laws tomorrow?

There would be a lot of men armed to teeth doing their best being nice to each other. Those poor fellows who were unarmed should have not been so careless

[TEHPALLYTANK]

Don’t worry there’s probably a better chance of them getting hit by a Tsunami while living in Iowa.

There probably isn't a better chance of them getting hit by a tsunami in Iowa.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

I doubt the chance of a tsunami hitting Iowa is even remotely close to 1 in a million, while the chance of a black person being killed by police seems to average at least 1-2 in a hundred thousand.

[postman1782]

There probably isn't a better chance of them getting hit by a tsunami in Iowa.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

I doubt the chance of a tsunami hitting Iowa is even remotely close to 1 in a million, while the chance of a black person being killed by seems to average at least 1-2 in a hundred thousand.

Don't bring facts to a Trump supporter.

[muto]

There probably isn't a better chance of them getting hit by a tsunami in Iowa.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

I doubt the chance of a tsunami hitting Iowa is even remotely close to 1 in a million, while the chance of a black person being killed by police seems to average at least 1-2 in a hundred thousand.

1 in 100,000 doesn’t seem like something we should be concerned about especially when in most cases it’s justified. Protesting alcohol makes more sense considering more people are killed by drunk drivers.