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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Torghast does not have issues, you can claim covanents might have issues but Shadowlands itself is fine, covanents are the controversy not the whole thing.
    Covenants, Soulbinds, Conduits, Legendaries are all major core problems. The Maw is practically untested with almost nothing to do in the zone. Also there's still several issues with the game itself with several quests randomly just bugging out entirely and not letting you progress even after you abandon and regrab them.
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  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    That doesn't sound like "face value," that sounds like they just scammed a 6 month sub out of you to play old content (or not - they don't care, they have your money), when you should have been playing their new content that they promised to be out by that time.
    If you add in things that are not face value then of course it won't sound like face value. Nothing of what they are doing is proof the expansion is delayed until March or even 2021 and thus the 6-months is a scam. It also doesn't cover the people that got it for free with an existing 6-month subscription which would be anyone who took part in the last promotion or renewed between the last one and now.

    So it still isn't even a scam under your hypothetical because they are not selling those 6-months as "mostly under the new expansions". They also offered the promotion a 20 days after they announced the delay. So it isn't a scam in regards to being tricked with play time under the new expansion.
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  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    That's actually me being rational, and having over 30 years experience in software development - knowing the difference between programming issues and data issues.

    Hope I clarified your error.
    No you really didn't you continue to white knight for Blizzard when the expansion is barely holding on by threads on beta both from a programming standpoint and data standpoint.
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    Trust me.

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  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by PixelFox View Post
    By US law they have to get explicit permission from purchasers to extend the delivery date past the stated "sometime in 2020". If they don't get such permission they have to give those people who ask for it (or simply don't reply) their money back. So come hell or high water it will ship before December 31st, you can bank on that.
    No they do not. There is no universal US law that states you have to meet a vague release goal. Cyberpunk 2077 delayed with out facing US court system. Blizzard has delayed TBC past the stated time and WC3 Reforged and didn't face legal trouble.
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  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    It’s not a scam
    I got the Tmog and my 6 month sub expires next week. so what scam are u talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoxe View Post
    Legally obliged to release it this year, they also stated it's still coming this year. Cataclysm came out in December. It's going to be early December and raid opens after holidays.
    by offering refunds they are no longer legally obliged to release it this year.... They also clearly stated it would be released this month, clearly not the case...we can speculate all we want, bottom line is we won't know until they tell us

  6. #286
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    Quote Originally Posted by Die View Post
    Any declared release date or projection carries very little weight now. It doesn't matter if they said Nov 23/24th or Before 2021. They already said October and then moved it. They can just move the release date again.
    Not really.

    They can move it once and people will be a bit forgiving. But the more they move it, the angrier the player base gets. When they give us the next date, that'll be the date. It'd be really bad PR to move it yet again.

  7. #287
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    There is no way they will delay it that long... the virtual blizzcon is in febuary so yea i doubt a shadowlands release will be no later than 3rd week of november./save
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  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    If you add in things that are not face value then of course it won't sound like face value. Nothing of what they are doing is proof the expansion is delayed until March or even 2021 and thus the 6-months is a scam. It also doesn't cover the people that got it for free with an existing 6-month subscription which would be anyone who took part in the last promotion or renewed between the last one and now.

    So it still isn't even a scam under your hypothetical because they are not selling those 6-months as "mostly under the new expansions". They also offered the promotion a 20 days after they announced the delay. So it isn't a scam in regards to being tricked with play time under the new expansion.
    So you're suggesting that people are honestly paying for 6 months JUST to play in pre-patch, and that not a single person who purchased the 6 month sub did so under the (rightful) impression that Blizzard gave, telling them the expansion would be released and playable within that 6 month period?

    And you see absolutely no issue with that whatsoever?

    Just because Blizzard is smart enough to retroactively give it to people who purchased the 6 month sub package BEFORE their announcement so as to avoid that backlash of people who just ordered one and now missed the promo, doesn't mean they didn't introduce the promo as an easy way to keep subs going during a downtime. If they then EXTENDED that downtime beyond the scope of that package, yes, I'd be rightfully pissed. I'm not paying for downtime between expansions.

    (Technically I'm not paying for expansions or subs at all right now. But that's beside the point.)
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  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    Covenants, Soulbinds, Conduits, Legendaries are all major core problems.
    No - they are all medium NON core issues (just changing data around).

    I'm more concerned about missing cinematics, than a few lines of data that need editing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyky View Post
    by threads on beta both from a programming standpoint and data standpoint.
    Sorry dude - but you need to be rational on this.

    Firstly the fact that I can be called a blizzard hater and a blizzard lover on the same day pretty much sums up that those terms are just irrational reflections of some internal struggle you have.

    The KEY point here is that NOTHING major is broken... literally NOTHING.

    What is broken is a little bit of balance in some of the systems.

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  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    No - they are all medium NON core issues (just changing data around).

    I'm more concerned about missing cinematics, than a few lines of data that need editing.

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    Sorry dude - but you need to be rational on this.

    Firstly the fact that I can be called a blizzard hater and a blizzard lover on the same day pretty much sums up that those terms are just irrational reflections of some internal struggle you have.

    The KEY point here is that NOTHING major is broken... literally NOTHING.

    What is broken is a little bit of balance in some of the systems.
    What do you mean, missing cinematics? On beta? In the past, cinematics hasn't really been on the beta at all. Always just placeholders.
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  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    So you're suggesting that people are honestly paying for 6 months JUST to play in pre-patch, and that not a single person who purchased the 6 month sub did so under the (rightful) impression that Blizzard gave, telling them the expansion would be released and playable within that 6 month period?

    And you see absolutely no issue with that whatsoever?

    Just because Blizzard is smart enough to retroactively give it to people who purchased the 6 month sub package BEFORE their announcement so as to avoid that backlash of people who just ordered one and now missed the promo, doesn't mean they didn't introduce the promo as an easy way to keep subs going during a downtime. If they then EXTENDED that downtime beyond the scope of that package, yes, I'd be rightfully pissed. I'm not paying for downtime between expansions.

    (Technically I'm not paying for expansions or subs at all right now. But that's beside the point.)
    lol at the idea of people getting tired of a 16 year old game then coming back and starting a six month sub like it won't happen again almost immediately.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    They also said it would be out in October. Believe what you want to believe, but don't be so naïve as to believe anything Blizzard has said is rock hard fact and not subject to change.
    its still more "rock hard" than someone on internet saying "I, who have absolute no clue or information whatsoever, think it will be in 2021, sop thats true"

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by pepine View Post
    With the recent new 6 month promo scam wouldn't be surprised if it is spring.
    Banned or Not this is a fact. That 6 month sub is a desperation play, it tells you- weather or not you choose to believe it- that blizz are up shit creek with this
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  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    There is some evidence to support this claim, but obviously people just ignore / dismiss it. Like someone said on the previous page, the calender had the first SL event listed for feb 2021. Its evidence, but not conclusive.
    which is suporting what exactly? lets ignore the fact the calendar events might change and that some were in before the delay, first SL dungeon event might not be for a looong after release... first BFA dungeon eventwas in september (roughly month after release), and its not like dungeon evenet is every week...
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  15. #295
    I think something like first week of December (or second week) is possible but if not then probably at the start of January.

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    If it does come out in 2020, I think it'll come out in November, but it really is an odd time to release an expansion with Thanksgiving and Christmas approaching. Blizzard in the past has postponed releases due to them launching too close to holidays. They don't want players to feel pressured to choose between family or playing the game. I can imagine it's the same scenario for employees as well. I honestly think a January launch would be best for everyone. There won't be any holidays to impede players or employees.
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  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by FragmentedFaith View Post
    Banned or Not this is a fact. That 6 month sub is a desperation play, it tells you- weather or not you choose to believe it- that blizz are up shit creek with this
    No. It is an assumption in bad faith and literally the opposite of a fact. The rewards for 6 month subs have been coming regularly without a connection to the game's state, despite the desperate attempts of people like you trying to make it look like that.

    Every time one of these happens the game is close to server shutdown with you people and/or Blizzard wants to scam you. If we would accept that as a fact the game would have shut down years ago.

  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    What do you mean, missing cinematics?
    Ah - I mean the short functional cinematics (e.g. getting a soulbind etc), not the lore or spoiler type ones.

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  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Those guys at Blizzard had internal data when they publicly announced a release date of October 27th 2020 as well though......thats all im saying.
    and nobody said they couldnt be wrong, just that their data is more reliable than exactly NOTHING from a random moron on forums guessing whats going on...

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Cute PR statement. WoD and BfA begs to differ.
    Perhaps my memory isn't perfect but what was wrong with the release of WoD? I thought it was only the patch content that was rushed and unfinished while the base game was fine. Tanaan Jungle not included?

    You're absolutely right about BfA though. Blizzard usually doesn't release such broken and unfinished games. Well.... there is Warcraft 3: Reforged and there is Diablo 3.

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