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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsamane View Post
    I get the feeling we will hear something on the old release date.
    Yeah ditto! I hope it will be this year, but my best bet is, that it will be sometime next year .....

  2. #362
    It is most certainly a December release now, my guess is they announce it when the pre-expansion events begin.
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  3. #363
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphrel View Post
    If they don't know today when it will be ready with enough certanty to announce a date then i feel like it most likely wont come 2020.

    Because realisticly, if they were aiming for a early December release, surely by now, the 23rd of October they should be pretty fucking sure if they will be able to meet it or not.
    Pretty much this. As i said Before, they simply cant afford to Release a expansion that's received like BFA was. Better to take a small PR hit on a delayed product. It is 2020 after all and delays are now the "New Normal"
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  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    No they do not. There is no universal US law that states you have to meet a vague release goal. Cyberpunk 2077 delayed with out facing US court system. Blizzard has delayed TBC past the stated time and WC3 Reforged and didn't face legal trouble.
    https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/busi...elephone-order

    Doesn't matter if it's physical or digital delivery. Very strong consumer protection and companies don't get to screw around. Basically if they don't ship by the end of the year they must send pre-order money back unless they get explicit permission from each customer to delay.

  5. #365
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeps View Post
    *snip of nonsense*.
    No, I'm not. I'm literally going by the official MAU's and what they've written about WoW's performance, as well as them referring to WoW as one of their flagship franchises as a justification for adding more developers.
    Not making up numbers in my head to support a narrative =/= being a white knight. I've never been as critical of the game as during BfA due to their decisions, but I won't subscribe to your kind of pathetic delusion.

    Get over yourself, your inane bitching is of no consequence. Welcome to the uBlock script.
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  6. #366
    I still believe (and hope) we will see it before the new year. I of course want a full finished and working game but I'd love it as soon as that's possible and I'd be surprised if it got pushed back as far as spring.

    I've not logged into the beta and tried to watch as little as I can of it as I like to go into new expansions fresh, so I have no idea how all the big issues delaying release are now coming along. Are things in the beta looking more ready? or are we still a long way off.
    This feels like a better way to guess the release date, rather than just ruling out November and December because it has a holiday in it.

  7. #367
    Quote Originally Posted by Weeps View Post
    You’re the biggest BFA white Knight. You’ve got to be kidding me if you don’t see any decline in gaming population since BfA started.

    Also those quarterly reports cover other games. Which are carrying wow. During BFA.

    CoD 125 million mau.
    King 271 million mau.
    Blizzard (wow and hearthstone combined) 32 million mau.

    Yeah you’re wrong.
    I'm more confused how you think this makes a point.

    CoD literally lists +75M of those MAUs to Warzone, the Free to play battle royale.

    And King literally thrives on F2P games. So...what's your point here? Not having to spend money to play the game draws in more of a crowd?

    You also completely ignored that Blizzard's income wasn't that far off from King's despite the huge difference in MAU.


    Most importantly though, all you did was list numbers. One of which you admitted isn't even reflective of just WoW. In an attempt to prove a "decline" of WoW. It really proves absolutely nothing in that regard.

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Just because Blizzard is smart enough to retroactively give it to people who purchased the 6 month sub package BEFORE their announcement so as to avoid that backlash of people who just ordered one and now missed the promo, doesn't mean they didn't introduce the promo as an easy way to keep subs going during a downtime. If they then EXTENDED that downtime beyond the scope of that package, yes, I'd be rightfully pissed. I'm not paying for downtime between expansions.
    Blizzard has always done the 6-month free item retroactively for people currently on a 6-month subscription. It isn't something they just did for this promotion. If you are not paying for downtime between expansions then why did are they buying a subscription in the first place that is doing exactly that? Don't buy it. There is no scam. You keep trying to blame Blizzard for tricking customers yet all your arguments is putting the blame on the customer.

    Because if they don't want to play then don't pay. Don't blame Blizzard because a person pays while not wanting to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PixelFox View Post
    https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/busi...elephone-order

    Doesn't matter if it's physical or digital delivery. Very strong consumer protection and companies don't get to screw around. Basically if they don't ship by the end of the year they must send pre-order money back unless they get explicit permission from each customer to delay.
    That has nothing to do with a legal requirement to release a digital product but to ship physical goods. The only thing this could apply to is physical orders from Blizzard and not digital releases. It can also be argued that Blizzard has already shipped the product because pre-orders have been playing with parts of it.
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  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Pre patch needs to be out 2 or 3 weeks before launch. You do want the raids/launch during christmas. So either half november pre patch, launch early ( week 1) december. Raids after christmas.

    Or indeed it might be longer. But do not know what people thinks need to be fixed ( if its a lot of work).
    Pre-patch is already out. The only thing not released is the pre-pach event. They have said that is two weeks but they can reduced it to one week if they so choose.

    Also, more games are releasing in 2021. So it doesn't matter when they release it. They will be up against other games. They will push it out in 2020 because they do not want the bad PR that comes with a 2nd delay.

  10. #370
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Cute PR statement. WoD and BfA begs to differ.
    Yea, not to mention they can't just leave us in a prepatch til spring with nothing to do if they want a playerbase, how silly of OP.
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  11. #371
    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Pretty much this. As i said Before, they simply cant afford to Release a expansion that's received like BFA was. Better to take a small PR hit on a delayed product. It is 2020 after all and delays are now the "New Normal"
    BFA was profitable. They absolutely can afford it.

  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Weeps View Post
    You’re the biggest BFA white Knight. You’ve got to be kidding me if you don’t see any decline in gaming population since BfA started.

    Also those quarterly reports cover other games. Which are carrying wow. During BFA.

    CoD 125 million mau.
    King 271 million mau.
    Blizzard (wow and hearthstone combined) 32 million mau.

    Yeah you’re wrong.
    im sorry, what the hell was this supposed to prove?
    that wow have less players than CoD which have over 100m? bcs wow (and i would say all blizz games combined) NEVER had that high mau... so how is it a proof wow is on decline during BFA?

  13. #373
    Quote Originally Posted by JMitchy96 View Post
    I thought blizzard stated that the expansion will still be a 2020 release?
    They also said the same thing with WC3R release, didn't stop them from completely ignoring it and releasing many months after promised.
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  14. #374
    Quote Originally Posted by JMitchy96 View Post
    I thought blizzard stated that the expansion will still be a 2020 release?
    Blizzard says a lot of things and a lot of it turns out to be not true so I wouldn't be surprised if they were like "sorry guys, but we underestimated the amount of work that needs to be done still so we're delaying it again until sometime early 2021". It really would not surprise me.

    If the release date turns out to be a 2021 date I'd be ok with it. A little annoyed but I'd still rather have a game that feels like it's actually done than a game that is rushed out the door and is still broken and buggy just to get in the hands of impatient people. I have PLENTY of other games and hobbies to keep me busy and entertained so I wouldn't be worried about it.
    I'd buy that for a dollar.

  15. #375
    I'd say Blizz is good for 6 months cause you bought its recent transmog deal.

  16. #376
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    BFA was profitable. They absolutely can afford it.
    BFA is widely considered one of the worst expansions ever made. They bled subs . It was garbage . There is no way in hell Blizzard can afford, reputation wise or monetarily , another BFA . Especially directly after this last debacle. If they release this expansion too early with too many flaws. they will never live it down .
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  17. #377
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Not true. They still have time to announce it and still come out in December. They have until the 2nd week of November to still be able to release in December. Both the pre-patch event and release date would be announced at the same time and the event only takes two weeks.
    Yet if this was the case and they woudlve announced a release by early december. Yet they havent... Which means they are still unsure when they CAN release the expansion.

    and my logic is that if they are still unsure when they CAN release it even today. That would indicate that they have alot of stuff left to do. Its not in their marketing interest to hold on the release date for no reason.
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    I'm more amazed this thread didn't appear the day the new 6 month promo started.


    And it's also 100% BS. There isn't enough wrong in Shadowlands to push the game back an entire half a year. Maybe into January if they decide to get frisky and redesign a Zone or something, but for sure this will be out before March.
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    November is heaped up on games I need to play so if Shadowlands is pushed back until Spring then I am all for it lol

  20. #380
    For FFXIV players, a release that comes before or after early December would be ideal. That's why the late October release date sounded cool. If theories are correct and they aim for early December, players will have to choose between expansion launch and new FFXIV raid tier.

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