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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantos View Post
    According to the ingame calender, the first Shadowlands dungeon event is on february 3rd, so id say january 5th release.
    That has already been debunked
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  2. #382
    Don't they have to refund people's money if they release after 12/31/2020?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Cute PR statement. WoD and BfA begs to differ.
    Perfect example of why they should release when done and not before. Thanks for making the point.

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    They took preorders with a "2020 release" promised. If they don't get it out before the end of the year, they'll face legal problems, particularly in Europe.

    It was one of the reasons the Doom Eternal soundtrack thing happened, ID had to get the soundtrack out ASAP because they promised it in the preorders.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    If Warcraft 3 refunded is anything to go by they'll release it on the last day they're allowed to without breaking consumer protection laws. They stated a 2020 release, I think they have at most one month leniency so the latest would be somewhere in january.

    One should hope it'll be in a better state than Wc3:R.
    They've already offered refunds regarding consumer protection laws, they're not entitled to do anything more than that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    Don't they have to refund people's money if they release after 12/31/2020?
    They're already providing refunds.
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    Trust me.

    Zyky is better than you.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Pre-patch is already out. The only thing not released is the pre-pach event. They have said that is two weeks but they can reduced it to one week if they so choose.

    Also, more games are releasing in 2021. So it doesn't matter when they release it. They will be up against other games. They will push it out in 2020 because they do not want the bad PR that comes with a 2nd delay.
    Sigh.....you and everyone else knew/knows what i am talking about. Yes , they could shorten the pre patch event.

    2nd delay bad pr...have you ever heard of a little title called cyberpunk. And if they launch a more complete shadowlands it would be better as a broken shadowlands.

    And your: but in 2021 there are also games. Yes, hitman 3 in januari , and farcry 6 in februari. So thats 2 whole games, and would even argue that hitman will and is a great game. But its a more niche game then the other games. If you read my list ( the part you did not qoute) you see if they launch shadowlands near the end of november/early december they will be up against 3 HUGE AAA hype titles and 2!!!!!!! freaking new console's ( with games on them 2). Hell even final fantasy has a launch in december i think.

    This all does not mean they should not, or should release it. Or that its stupid or smart. I am just saying, the competition is extremly heavy. And every fault they launch with because they want to rush it and launch it with all these titles. Will make the game look more broken next to all this big as gaming titles.

    Let me put it this way: if you could play valhala, cyberpunk or 1 of the 2 new consoles or watch dogs legion or a broken, not really done product called shadowlands...what will you choose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    Don't they have to refund people's money if they release after 12/31/2020?
    They don't have to. But they will be obligated to, when requested. Thing is, they already do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDC View Post
    They don't have to. But they will be obligated to, when requested. Thing is, they already do it.
    Actually they do have to in many countries or they face still penalties due to consumer laws.

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    November is heaped up on games I need to play so if Shadowlands is pushed back until Spring then I am all for it lol
    Exactly my feeling.
    I'd buy that for a dollar.

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Let me put it this way: if you could play valhala, cyberpunk or 1 of the 2 new consoles or watch dogs legion or a broken, not really done product called shadowlands...what will you choose?
    Shadowlands.Because single player game can wait and does not revolves around keeping in touch with your guildmates to be ready for raiding

  11. #391
    I think they'll fall back to their original "On or before December 31st" release date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morssoe View Post
    I'd say Blizz is good for 6 months cause you bought its recent transmog deal.
    you do know that Hearthstone probably makes more money than WoW with just subs right? lol....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khain View Post
    Don't they have to refund people's money if they release after 12/31/2020?
    They already offered to refund people... technically they don't have to release it this year at all, they offered all of us an "out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by steellz View Post
    you do know that Hearthstone probably makes more money than WoW with just subs right? lol....

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    I didn't say slaves wouldn't pay more if just wow team dared to charge more, but for HS that game has been a money grab from the beginning and it has a community that endorses that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattsao View Post
    They took preorders with a "2020 release" promised. If they don't get it out before the end of the year, they'll face legal problems, particularly in Europe.
    They will face no such thing. Blizzard are already offering refunds to those who request one which covers their all legal obligations to the consumer.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Engal View Post
    Shadowlands.Because single player game can wait and does not revolves around keeping in touch with your guildmates to be ready for raiding
    Yes for the uber raiders who are the top %.
    But for the rest of us?

    Would you really play a unfished wow expansion. With most likely a lot of bugs, patches and full servers. Or play 1 of the other games/consoles.

    Again i do think a lot of people will play shadowlands. hell even i will switch between the games. But pushing it back a bit, will give them time to complete it/iron out the bugs. And get more players into the game.

  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by steellz View Post
    you do know that Hearthstone probably makes more money than WoW with just subs right? lol....
    Are there any figures to support this?

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    I expect that the question as to whether SL will release this year or not will be answered by the end of next week as the Q3 earnings report is expected on Thursday.
    Last edited by Pann; 2020-10-23 at 07:58 PM.

  18. #398
    Quote Originally Posted by Aphrel View Post
    Yet if this was the case and they woudlve announced a release by early december. Yet they havent... Which means they are still unsure when they CAN release the expansion.

    and my logic is that if they are still unsure when they CAN release it even today. That would indicate that they have alot of stuff left to do. Its not in their marketing interest to hold on the release date for no reason.
    And you know that how? For all you know, they have a date in mind, but won't announce it until they absolutely have to in order to avoid having to announce another delay if something goes wrong. They still have time before they have to announce a December release because pre-patch is already out and the only thing left to release before that is the pre-patch event. They don't have to announce anything until one week before the pre-patch event will be released. Late November, early December is NOT off the table and is still the likely outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Sigh.....you and everyone else knew/knows what i am talking about. Yes , they could shorten the pre patch event.

    2nd delay bad pr...have you ever heard of a little title called cyberpunk. And if they launch a more complete shadowlands it would be better as a broken shadowlands.
    I have heard of Cyberpunk. So what? Where is it written that nobody is allowed to release their game at the same time. Blizzard is under the gun to get it out this year. Cyberpunk is completely irrelevant to when they decide to release the game.

    And your: but in 2021 there are also games. Yes, hitman 3 in januari , and farcry 6 in februari. So thats 2 whole games, and would even argue that hitman will and is a great game. But its a more niche game then the other games. If you read my list ( the part you did not qoute) you see if they launch shadowlands near the end of november/early december they will be up against 3 HUGE AAA hype titles and 2!!!!!!! freaking new console's ( with games on them 2). Hell even final fantasy has a launch in december i think.
    They are up against games regardless and most of those that will be playing Shadowlands already pre-ordered. THe money has already been made. Delaying it a second time to avoid those games will cost them more money as those pre-orders will need to be refunded.

    This all does not mean they should not, or should release it. Or that its stupid or smart. I am just saying, the competition is extremly heavy. And every fault they launch with because they want to rush it and launch it with all these titles. Will make the game look more broken next to all this big as gaming titles.
    Those games are irrelevant to WoW and the devs decision making here. As I said, they will release it this year to stave off more lost pre-orders. Those are far more important than actually playing the game right away.

    Let me put it this way: if you could play valhala, cyberpunk or 1 of the 2 new consoles or watch dogs legion or a broken, not really done product called shadowlands...what will you choose?
    Wow. But that is irrelevant. I pre-ordered the game. What is the better ooption, kjeeping my pre-order by releasing it in 2020 as they have continued to say it will be, or lose it because they delayed it yet again because they didn't want to release with those games? I know which one Blizzard will pick. Also, how do you know the game will not be ready if released in December? For all you know it will be released in December and be a great launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohsorry View Post
    I think they'll fall back to their original "On or before December 31st" release date.
    They already have. All official sources say "Coming in 2020".

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    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Yes for the uber raiders who are the top %.
    But for the rest of us?

    Would you really play a unfished wow expansion. With most likely a lot of bugs, patches and full servers. Or play 1 of the other games/consoles.

    Again i do think a lot of people will play shadowlands. hell even i will switch between the games. But pushing it back a bit, will give them time to complete it/iron out the bugs. And get more players into the game.
    What if they have the bugs ironed out by December? You are making an unsubstanited claim that the game will not be complete if released in December. That is a major assumption not currently founded in reality.

  19. #399
    Quote Originally Posted by LorDC View Post
    They don't have to. But they will be obligated to, when requested. Thing is, they already do it.
    Really common misconception, it doesn't apply to digital pre-orders since you have it on your account, it's just not activated. The law you are citing from only applies for physical orders such as the hard copy collectors edition.

    Nintendo already won their court battle which is easily googled, the eurogamer article is most straight forward. There's absolutely no legal recourse anyone in the EU can presently take against Blizzard for not activating Shadowlands in 2020. To save face, they have already offered refunds to everyone anyway but they didn't and couldn't be forced too.

    To further cement this they sold game time with the shadowlands pre-order which you agreed to activate straight away. Nobody has any case against them.
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  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    im sorry, what the hell was this supposed to prove?
    that wow have less players than CoD which have over 100m? bcs wow (and i would say all blizz games combined) NEVER had that high mau... so how is it a proof wow is on decline during BFA?
    Sigh. White Hamster was talking about blizzard quarterly profits. As a whole. Wow is not the highest performing mau-wise.

    Do not jump in when you haven’t READ the conversation.

    Which btw she was wrong. It was steadily declining until Shadowlands news. Duh. It always spikes during this period. The trend is downhill. Always has been.

    Bring me proof that BfA was the saving grace of WoW. Show me that, during its entire run, maus have steadily increased. Q4 news is bunk. It’s just hype for shadowlands.
    Last edited by Weeps; 2020-10-23 at 09:01 PM.

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