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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    The game would be better if there were never nerfs and never buffs unless they are clearly considered bug fixes.
    If you did not do it when it was current then: too bad: you failed that's how reality works.
    A game should be fun but not bend reality because then it feels fake and a lie.
    This argument is bad and you should feel bad. The purpose of a game is not to reflect reality, it's to provide entertainment and make people want to spend money to play it.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    This argument is bad and you should feel bad. The purpose of a game is not to reflect reality, it's to provide entertainment and make people want to spend money to play it.
    Yes but look at the bigger picture. It's FUN to also do something that was an actual accomplishment. Getting something for free from a lootbag is not fun for a lot of people so at the very least it's very subjective because there are definitely people that would love to see the difficulty never changing (unless it's a bug fix) and you can't deny that (because that'd be like saying I'm lying about what I want).

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    Yes but look at the bigger picture. It's FUN to also do something that was an actual accomplishment.
    You have not bothered to think about what you are saying. If something is an actual accomplishment (as in, difficult in an absolute sense), then most players will not accomplish it. You have satisfied a tiny "deserving" slice, at the cost of cutting the game's economic throat by leaving most customers dissatisfied.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    WoW is like 99% bear ass collection simulator -- D-Rock

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    You have not bothered to think about what you are saying. If something is an actual accomplishment (as in, difficult in an absolute sense), then most players will not accomplish it. You have satisfied a tiny "deserving" slice, at the cost of cutting the game's economic throat by leaving most customers dissatisfied.
    You're thinking only with absolutes that's why you're missing the point. Yes some people will find it hard and not do the achievement at the same point in time compared to being nerfed but if they know they downed it with the "true" difficulty then they will feel more proud and feeling proud is very fun.
    Sure some people will never down it that way but that's where it becomes very subjective because many others will have more fun that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    You have satisfied a tiny "deserving" slice.
    Also you must bring proof for this claim or it did not happen. I have gone through various semi-hard core and semi-casual raiding guilds in my life and almost never in a true hard core guild (ok only once), and I'm pretty certain every single one of them (even the very casual raiding guilds) had at least 10-20% of the players feeling bad that they kill something that is nerfed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    Yes but look at the bigger picture. It's FUN to also do something that was an actual accomplishment. Getting something for free from a lootbag is not fun for a lot of people so at the very least it's very subjective because there are definitely people that would love to see the difficulty never changing (unless it's a bug fix) and you can't deny that (because that'd be like saying I'm lying about what I want).
    The people who care about the "accomplishment" of clearing raids pre-nerf are the ones in active raiding guilds clearing the raids from week one. Very few people would brag about killing N'zoth for the umpteenth time in pre-patch and next to no one who's returned for Shadowlands will bother to progress through Ny'alotha, and the ones that do certainly aren't doing it for the prestige of killing normal/heroic N'zoth "pre-nerf".

    The pre-patch nerfs have mostly been to let people bring alts through and give returning players a shot at the current content without a massive gear grind.

    My point is; you make a good argument against nerfing content mid-patch. But you might be the only one who's still chasing accomplishment 3 weeks out of a new expansion.

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    Just do what I do just pay 800k and get carried to zoth mythicc for that mount everyone hates - no reason to even worry if the game gets nerfed

    On Topic / Fun Aside: I do indeed remember when I was VERY NEW at the game and we struggled a ton until the pre patch hit, back in TBC we started STEAM ROLLING through TBC, I think if I had to guess it had to of been a SOLID 10-20% nerf to everything inside of BT, we were struggling with just a few boss's then we killed Illidan right before launch of Wrath (Boy we felt good, even if we were scrub lords on some unknown server)

    Moving forward pretty much everything started to get more open and available, with server hopping and things making the game so easy in Wrath, mega servers started really making pugging a thing with gear score just made WoW the best.

    tl;dr I think the nerfs at the end of the xpac are there for people to get one chance at the mounts or that final good feel you get when you try so hard and got so far - even if in the end it never really mattered

  7. #27
    they did gut nya'lotha, the only people that are regressing are the guilds that were hyper carried by corruptions, but it's 100% easier than before, because the game was already not balanced around corruptions, so they nerfed it ontop of nerfed it

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post
    I'm talking specifically about the prepatch once those systems were removed. Antorus/Nyalotha weren't really nerfed when 8.0/9.0 were released; they were balanced around these power systems no longer existing.
    Nyalotha was nerfed on a weekly basis with cloak resistance getting higher. Another nerf was when the first guilds cleared it, then it was nerfed after the squish. If a guild still can't kill Nzoth, they're just not cut out for it at this time and need to improve in Shadowlands because that boss is a rollover now. It has been 8 months already.

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