Anduin is an agenda not a character and I don't believe he can be interesting, he is passive weak and dumb.
Anduin is an agenda not a character and I don't believe he can be interesting, he is passive weak and dumb.
I don't really care what happens to andruin so as long as my jaina waifu isnt lost forever or worse
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Anduin is strong in the Light? He is just a boy tho. What about Velen, Turalyon or Liadrin?
Blech, the writing is getting worst with each expansion now. It definitely peaked at legion. This is basically fan fiction writings that's steadily approaching "My Immortal" levels of writing. Whoever is in charge needs a reminder that they should not pull a JJ Abrams. The title Maw Walker is very stupid, our old legion titles would be better but that'd be too much work for the current Blizzard.
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Thrall:We will find Anduin,and bring him HOME...
So after Sadfang died, Thrall became Anduin's new bitch?
The whole point of the exercise that was BFA was to tell you that there's world heroes regardless of faction and you need to follow and like them. It's why despite there being no material Horde-side htat'd make you give a shit about Jaina it's still considered self-evident that you'd want to help her five minutes after she's been a raid boss. They want you to like Anduin and god help them they'll keep pushing him until you do or until the writing team changes.
Why the fuck Green Jesus cares about Anduin considering he and Anduin have spoken once in their entire tenure is beyond me.
Ditto, as @Vakir says, the only parallels between Anduin and Arthas are visual. Despite what Shadowlands will likely go out of its way to say in its attempts to make Arthas a victim of circumstance the reason his fall narrative works is because of his personal failings which lead him down a path that could've been avoided, making some justifiable and other unjustifiable decisions on the way. Anduin being tortured into turning bad is incomparable. It's also predestined to be boring because all we know he'll snap out of it and stay a good boy.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
Yeah right... like Blizz is going to make their ultra super obviously Mary Sue golden boy into an evil character. That would require competent writers and a complex storyline, both of which have been in short supply for Blizzard for a long time. The only Alliance character I could reasonably see going off the deep end is Tyrande, fueled by vengeance, something something convenient plot device, new Lich Queen.
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What ISNT he strong in these days.. trained priest, can wear full plate somehow, skills of a seasoned warrior for melee battles, can cast mass rez on an entire battlefield in mid combat, has thicker plot armor then an Abrams tank...
I agree that more than likely Anduin will prevail where Arthas could not but quite frankly im ok with that. I think the whole corruption thing is getting old. But i wonder if there some sort of play here that doesn't lead into them trying to actually corrupt him. What if its a play to get the light to intervene and the Jailer gains something out of it. Or the efforts wasted to rescue him gives something to the Jailer etc. At this point in the beta i had the impression that the Jailer is aware of Bolvar peering into the Maw. Hes certainly aware of the "maw walker"s activity within the maw and Torghast. Idk maybe things aren't as obvious as they seem.
Yea i get being aware doesn't guarantee anything. But that's just part of what i was saying. Gul'dan/Garrosh/Slyvannas aren't the Jailer. Arthas was a really bad counter-example because he purposely allowed us to do what we did because he intended to use us as champions of the Scourge, he wasn't counting on Ashbringer breaking frostmourne and a disembodied king raising the heroes he killed. They didn't have total control of the regions they were affecting nor was nearly as powerful. Not sure if that applies there, as opposed to the Jailer who literally has almost absolute control of the realm.
And him being aware can cause him to "Adjust" his plans accordingly and use it to his own advantage.
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It's not a good example because his plan was to allow us to go to icc. It has nothing to do with being aware. It's actually countering what you're trying to say. Him losing at the end isn't an example of awareness failing.
That's actually not true. He's influencing everything in the shadowlands. He's the reason for the anima drought. Every realm is assailed in the shadowlands because of him directly. Curious have you played the beta?The Jailer has almost no power over the Shadowlands. He only has power in the Maw, which we've explicitly seen the limits of (what with him only being able to make us less effective over time), and we are actively and constantly taking precautions as to not allow the Jailer to abuse.
I'm aware it's a theory, and i can only theorize what will happen because they haven't allowed us in the beta to know the continuation of the storyline (anduin).And this still doesn't mean he's suddenly going to take hold of us and use us for whatever he wants.
Your current theory relies entirely on supposition, that there is some sort of plan for us that we do not know exists. For all we know, the Jailer is yet another god-like being that just sees Mortals as Mortals, and calling us "Maw-walkers" doesn't really change that. At all.
But that's the point of the thread to try to figure out what's the end goal. Anything can happen i was just wondering what could happen and what all that dialogue meant. For all we know the cut scene will bring a different context to the textual exchange.
Yea i don't get the wording part but sure ok.
Your statement saying the Jailer has no power in the shadowlands is extremely wrong.
Every corner of the shadowlands is being attacked by the Jailer in some form.
Every realm is suffering from the anima drought, has attacks from forces now controlled by the jailer. As you know the Maw is also part of the shadowlands so even in the sense that he's trapped there (in the maw) would negate the statement "he has no power in the shadowlands".
Arthas, Garrosh, Slyvannas, did not have the control and influence that the Jailer has in the shadowlands. Arthas barely controlled Northrend, Guldan had almost no control in Dreanor but in Tanaan, Slyvannas only had control of the Horde regions and the contested parts in Azeroth and Garrosh in a similar fasion. Just a different animal.
The theory i mentioned it's not something i'm liked sold on, it's just guessing, there's no need to debunk or piece apart lol, so this aggressive attack on it seems unnecessary. I rather hear your view as to what you think is happening based on what we see from the interactions.
There's other reasons for me leaning to the possibility for some sort of bait and switch but i have to gather the interactions.
Anyway there's a constant back and forth with Bovlar and he keeps on dropping hints and clues as you rescue Baine, Jaina, Thrall etc.. that give me the impression that there's more to the whole Anduin thing being just hey lets make him into an Arthas. But given blizz's track record i wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one.
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This argument is taking up all the real estate in the thread and has reached the point where you both either need to drop it, or take it to PM's. Either way, give some space for other people to have their say.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Gotta keep in mind that when there's no faction conflict, we're basically playing a single faction/player game that's done mostly from the Alliance PoV.
I made jokes in the beginning of BFA that the conflict is going to end with Sylvanas as the baddy and Anduin getting his multi race council of friends, horde and Alliance and we'd have to work for him. And now we have Anduin going to be the last one freed and everyone here is going to try their hardest to save the main character!
Aren't you glad that you picked the Red Alliance faction