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    Quote Originally Posted by sandstill View Post
    Improvement in the red wall seats would be encouraging for Labour...were Labour not losing hundreds of thousands members and voters elsewhere. Which they are.

    The notion that red wall northern voters give a flying toss about anti-semitism is palpably ridiculous. Insofar as they do care, which they generally don't, 5% or so view Jews with extreme suspicion if not outright anti-semitism.

    Now, the government HAS become significantly less popular. This is because they let more people die from covid relative to the population than in the US. Yes that is how bad our conservatives are, they make Trump look good. However, it is a testament to the utter uselessness of the current Labour leadership that they still trail in most national polls despite this. It is an astonishing feat of the modern center-left in the US and the UK that it struggled to defeat Donald Trump and trails behind Boris Johnson AFTER he let 50,000 people die.

    To address what your subtext actual point here is, Biden's vapid neo-liberalism is not vindicated by events abroad any more than his dire showing against an almost literally incontinent incumbent in the US.
    Labours entire defeat can be traced entirely to having a muddled view on Brexit. Given Starmer is purging Jews critical of Israeli policy, this whole claim about "Anti-Semitism" is completely fraudulent. This is nothing short of a Blairite coup to drive the Left out of the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandstill View Post
    Oh dear.

    I'll try to be nice here because it is unusual for americans to take an interest in anything outside their country. But when they do, as in the case, it is usually a pathetic attempt to transplant some domestic agenda onto a foreign country (I'm reminded of the non-existent muslim caliphate of Birmingham Republicans began frothing at the mouth about).

    First, the numbers in the above picture *ONLY* concern red wall seats. Those are a relatively small number of seats in the north of England that traditionally vote Labour. They are important but they DO NOT decide who wins a general election, any more than Georgia or Pennsylvania decide presidential elections.


    Improvement in the red wall seats would be encouraging for Labour...were Labour not losing hundreds of thousands members and voters elsewhere. Which they are.

    The notion that red wall northern voters give a flying toss about anti-semitism is palpably ridiculous. Insofar as they do care, which they generally don't, 5% or so view Jews with extreme suspicion if not outright anti-semitism.

    Now, the government HAS become significantly less popular. This is because they let more people die from covid relative to the population than in the US. Yes that is how bad our conservatives are, they make Trump look good. However, it is a testament to the utter uselessness of the current Labour leadership that they still trail in most national polls despite this. It is an astonishing feat of the modern center-left in the US and the UK that it struggled to defeat Donald Trump and trails behind Boris Johnson AFTER he let 50,000 people die.

    To address what your subtext actual point here is, Biden's vapid neo-liberalism is not vindicated by events abroad any more than his dire showing against an almost literally incontinent incumbent in the US.
    Its onestly a waste of time to try and convince him of anything, he will believe all the left-leaning labour members where anti-semitic to his death.

    ...and probably something about Corbyn drinking the blood of baby jews before bed.
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    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Its onestly a waste of time to try and convince him of anything, he will believe all the left-leaning labour members where anti-semitic to his death.

    ...and probably something about Corbyn drinking the blood of baby jews before bed.
    Yeah exactly...the irony is that Corbyn probably has done more to combat anti-semitism than most politicians, even the Jewish ones criticizing him.

    Here's a small, non-comprehensive list of things Corbyn did to combat anti-semitism:


    Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
    EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
    EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
    EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
    EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
    EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
    11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
    EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
    EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
    EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
    2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
    EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippah in French Schools
    EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
    EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
    EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
    EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
    EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
    EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
    EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
    EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
    EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
    EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
    EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
    EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
    EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
    EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
    EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
    EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
    EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
    EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
    EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
    EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
    EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
    EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
    EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
    EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
    EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
    EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
    EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
    EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
    EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
    EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
    1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
    EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
    EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
    Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
    18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemitism
    9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
    3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
    In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

    I wonder what people like Milchshake have done to combat anti-semitism? I strongly suspect, nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Its onestly a waste of time to try and convince him of anything, he will believe all the left-leaning labour members where anti-semitic to his death.

    ...and probably something about Corbyn drinking the blood of baby jews before bed.
    The fact that Starmer is expelling Jewish Socialists from the party confirms how utterly BS all of this is.
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    Left wing parties throughout the west are taking a big step to the right arent they. Good use of a pandemic I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Left wing parties throughout the west are taking a big step to the right arent they. Good use of a pandemic I guess.
    In europe that mostly happend in the '90s(Labour, Dutch Labour, French Socialist party and the German SPD etc..). Its just that Corbyn managed to take away the power the blairites held and return Labour to its roots.. and you saw what the reaction was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    This just gets worse and worse. Now Labour has suspended a Jewish activist....for anti-semitism....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXW8MeJ8YU

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