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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Corbyn did not do anything listed in those bulletpoints. Although its true this was pretty much a witch hunt against him.
    Corbyn's reaction to members of his party doing the things that were listed is why they suspended him. He basically acted like it was all a fabrication or exaggerated. I don't think the guy is anti semitic and think he's facing disingenuous concern trolling from right-wingers, but his failure to make an example out of anti-semites in his own party shows that he's not a good leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Corbyn's reaction to members of his party doing the things that were listed is why they suspended him. He basically acted like it was all a fabrication or exaggerated. I don't think the guy is anti semitic and think he's facing disingenuous concern trolling from right-wingers, but his failure to make an example out of anti-semites in his own party shows that he's not a good leader.
    Because it was all bullshit. His reaction was justified. It was obvious to anybody who is not a blairite that they wanted to get rid of him at all cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Corbyn's reaction to members of his party doing the things that were listed is why they suspended him. He basically acted like it was all a fabrication or exaggerated. I don't think the guy is anti semitic and think he's facing disingenuous concern trolling from right-wingers, but his failure to make an example out of anti-semites in his own party shows that he's not a good leader.
    And that, is the issue. He didn't do enough. Because he's not a good leader for the Labour Party. Because the Labour Party has been fragmented for years. That said, he went off and created a Socialist Party that was entirely united, things would be probably quite different from a leadership perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Because it was all bullshit. His reaction was justified. It was obvious to anybody who is not a blairite that they wanted to get rid of him at all cost.
    Man, and here I thought you hated bigots even if they shared your world view.

    The horseshoe continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, and here I thought you hated bigots even if they shared your world view.

    The horseshoe continues.
    The horseshoe is bullshit because Corbyn is not a bigot. But somehow these sort of smears are okay if they are aimed at anybody left of centre, strange how that works.

    Is it so hard to oppose left wing policies without coming with lies, or do you hate coming up with excuses to keep the poor poor
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    neoliberalism is the only feasible pathway for liberals to win
    moving left always hurts us., i actually agree wtih corbyn on alot of the woke stuff, but his problematic stances on israel and foreign policy, not so woke, clear loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    And that, is the issue. He didn't do enough. Because he's not a good leader for the Labour Party. Because the Labour Party has been fragmented for years. That said, he went off and created a Socialist Party that was entirely united, things would be probably quite different from a leadership perspective.
    I see it as Corbyn and his generation being stuck on a worldview from their heydays. Leftism needs to stop romanticising Castro or Arafat.

    La Revolution needed to combat colonial or monarchist powers just doesnt fucking apply modern multiethnic democracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I see it as Corbyn and his generation being stuck on a worldview from their heydays. Leftism needs to stop romanticising Castro or Arafat.

    La Revolution needed to combat colonial or monarchist powers just doesnt fucking apply modern multiethnic democracies.
    Can you actually name any problems that are not made up bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Can you actually name any problems that are not made up bullshit.
    That was already provided in the report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    neoliberalism is the only feasible pathway for liberals to win
    moving left always hurts us., i actually agree wtih corbyn on alot of the woke stuff, but his problematic stances on israel and foreign policy, not so woke, clear loser.
    That is because labour is not supposed to be a liberal party, but a leftwing one. You got the lib dems, why do you insist on changing labour parties across the world into rightwing, elite supporting,piles of crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    La Revolution needed to combat colonial or monarchist powers just doesnt fucking apply modern multiethnic democracies.
    im not sure what this means because its quite reductionist but its the same anti-capitalist struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    neoliberalism is the only feasible pathway for liberals to win
    whats the point of running on the same platform as tories?

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    this is just a reaction to the guy who gave a speech in HP against Israel. So disgusting they support this country. I don't care what religion they are they are political criminals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    I see it as Corbyn and his generation being stuck on a worldview from their heydays. Leftism needs to stop romanticising Castro or Arafat.

    La Revolution needed to combat colonial or monarchist powers just doesnt fucking apply modern multiethnic democracies.
    I disagree. The biggest issue facing Labour is a lack of any actual substantive policy platform. They’re just ‘the opposition’. Boris isn’t hated enough for that to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    I disagree. The biggest issue facing Labour is a lack of any actual substantive policy platform. They’re just ‘the opposition’. Boris isn’t hated enough for that to work.
    All of the piss and vinegar has gone out of the British left, or so I've heard.
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    Case in point, the DSA is basically hung up on romanticising Corbyn.

    Solidarity with Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you for always being a champion for the international working class.

    They wont endorse anyone for president. But they will take the time to stan some dude that's out.

    It's edgelord chic over policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    Wait there is a socialist running for president?
    No, but there is basically a Nazi on the ballet.
    • Real socialists would do everything to defeat a Nazi. See the Revolutionary Communist Party USA , Angela Davis, etc. endorsing Biden.
    • Cosplay Socialists of Park Slope, sitting on their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    It's edgelord chic over policy.
    Do we live in some weird world where socialism isn't...like...an economic system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    • Real socialists would do everything to defeat a Nazi. See the Revolutionary Communist Party USA , Angela Davis, etc. endorsing Biden.
    "Real socialists" wouldn't have years of open hostility towards the left, too. So go on, please tell us what "real socialists" would do...
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    I wonder how many of the people arguing here about this actually live in the UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    No, but there is basically a Nazi on the ballet.
    • Real socialists would do everything to defeat a Nazi. See the Revolutionary Communist Party USA , Angela Davis, etc. endorsing Biden.
    • Cosplay Socialists of Park Slope, sitting on their hands.
    So its like every single US election since the southren strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    The second biden wins you put down you go back to not caring right?
    Based projection there. You get it on loan from your Trumpist friend?

    Firstly, there's about 90 days between "Biden winning" and Biden assuming the office of president. So everyone is going to have to be very vigilant of any potential ratfucking or damage the occurs in that time frame.

    But 2020: you guys constantly show that you dont know that much about how modern politics even works. Learning important dates might be step one. Like when to register for primaries.
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