Shadowlands Arrives November 23rd (NA) / 24th (EU)

[Sughs]

Why are people everywhere complaining about the holidays? Are they those who don't believe covid is a real thing? You are not supposed to go anywhere, you are supposed to stay at home.

And even if it was a normal year, Thanksgiving, Christmas, whatever, it's just 2 or 3 days of sharing a meal with family, maybe extended family. Unless you are racing for world first, which is less than 1% of the players, it doesn't affect you.

[TheLucky1]

Is the situation that good in the states that you guys really do family gatherings?

Most of Europe is pretty much bracing for the second wave probably also over christmas, only idiots will have larger gatherings and at a certain point at least in germany it's actually illegal (3 households maximum afaik.)

I don't mean to go full "haha americatards" bashing but so far the handling of covid and numbers last i checked didn't look good enough for a "full family thanksgiving".

So i see the release date more as a present for levelheaded persons even on your holiday.

Edit: well yeah, just checked the numbers and big uncle sam is number one as always, if you do bigger family gatherings on your nice little holidays please understand you are a f0cking retard and using it here as argument instantly makes you a retard too.
(Don't care about a refraction, don't know if i even want to be part of a community with people like that.)

[MrLachyG]

I was talking about the raid release schedule over Christmas and New Years

it's not though. it's released the week before on December 15. so anyone doing the world first race will have cleared it within that first week, 3 days before Christmas. as for everyone else, there will be very very few guilds who even contemplate running raids on 24th to 26th. I mean if the raid released with the expansion there would still be guilds clearing over Christmas. Hell if the expansion launched on October 27 there would still be people clearing the raid come Christmas time. so it really doesn't matter at all

[wfredlund]

only murica needs a special day to say thank you

Canada: "Hold my maple syrup"

[Rokkuman]

Around 0:41 on the story trailer, if you see the video without sound, it looks like the jailer is sending two kisses to Thrall

[wfredlund]

It's not about the large family gatherings but rather the family of 4 who's parent is probably going to miss out on that because of a shitty release date. No where in my post did I mention anything about large gatherings but some people ran with the idea that only large family/friend gatherings were going to be affected. Honestly, I hope that Blizz at least considered and talked to the devs about some of the devs without families would volunteer to take the on call.

I have a wife and three kids. We are not planning on having this massive family get together, it's gonna be the five of us. But I would still be hella bummed if I had to miss even that because of a lack of foresight by my company.

[Gnome13]

Merry Christmas for all World first racers kekw.

[Scottyjscizzle]

The devs have to be pissed. The Monday before a major US holiday? Once that actually centers around family gatherings? Ouch

So it'll be like a large portion of the working class and have thanksgiving day off and thats it? It's not like the majority of workers get the week of.

[Jujudrood]

I was talking about the raid release schedule over Christmas and New Years

I mean, sure, but if I remember, wasn't ICC a December raid release?
BRB googling.....
Yep, Dec 8, 2009.
Now, if only CN will be as good as ICC (highly doubt it lol).

Anyways, Holidays are actually good timing for things like this, since while some are busy working, some are doing family things and traveling, others do take time off, allowing natural playing time if they choose.
Given that 2020 has been a shitshow (especially in the US), I wouldn't be surprised if people are planning a more virtual Holiday with the family.
What better way to get out of a boring argument than to state internet issues and drop the call?

Overall, I think it's fine, so we agree to disagree.

[Spellweaver]

I mean, sure, but if I remember, wasn't ICC a December raid release?
BRB googling.....
Yep, Dec 8, 2009.
Now, if only CN will be as good as ICC (highly doubt it lol.

Thread argument about release timing aside, ICC is probably the worst example to use for a raid that released in December.

Only the first wing was available on December 8, so just Marrowgar, Lady Deathwhisper, Lootship, and Saurfang. The Plagueworks, Crimson Halls, and the Frostwing Halls/Frozen Throne weren't available until January 5, January 19, and February 2 respectively.

[Phagelives]

i want to thank all the 1% raiders who will be raiding over the holidays , thank you for ur choice to be raiding . ur sacrifice will not go unoticed with this former raider.

[Jujudrood]

Thread argument about release timing aside, ICC is probably the worst example to use for a raid that released in December.

Only the first wing was available on December 8, so just Marrowgar, Lady Deathwhisper, Lootship, and Saurfang. The Plagueworks, Crimson Halls, and the Frostwing Halls/Frozen Throne weren't available until January 5, January 19, and February 2 respectively.

Good call, I forgot how they staggered it, but some similar strategy could work here.

Maybe it would be better if the break up Nathria in a similar fashion?
Not by wings, but in terms of difficulties.
What if, on Dec 8, only Normal was opened, with teh LFR stagger as is (bc LFR is LFR, it's fine).
Then, on Jan 5, they open Heroic, then on Jan 12 they open Mythic?

They would also have to delay the seasons (M+/PVP) to Jan 5 as well, so those would be M+0 only and non-rated PVP for 4 weeks too.
I mean, delaying the entire expansion because of raid timing would be, well, weird (especially since the "real" raiding playerbase is the minority to the LFR/casual base), so getting it out there is the right move.

Maybe adding a few more weeks for leveling, covenants, all the other stuff that comes with it would be worth it, as opposed to having raiding over the holidays and raid nights being interrupted?

[arboachg]

lol us players thinking that for some reason one countries national holiday should be the reason to delay expansion.
Only devs on holiday should be the reason, not some countries holiday otherwise games would never release.

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Blizzard is a International Company based in America* A lot of the people working there are not "Americans". With probably more European players its pretty easy to understand that they don't and shouldn't care about some local holiday shit. They don't develop products only for the American market, maybe people should finally understand that.

Someone's mad that he isn't being catered to.

[Aphrel]

wut ? Think you quote the wrong guy...

yeah, seems like it. no idea how thou, cante ven find the comment i was suppose to quote.

[blankfaced]

who hurt you?

who didn't hurt me!?

*uncontrolable sobbing*

[Wramp]

i love the multiple posts irate over the fact that Blizz employees cant go home to take TG off....when the fact is most of them are home already and have been home for quite some time, working from home and can probably take their work on the road with them, its set up that way now.

[DesoPL]

Any idea how many pro guilds, are going take break from 8th december?

[Aritra the Gnome]

Noooooo! One week AFTER my vacation.

[likeer]

Great thanks for sharing

[Daevied]

Good to know that Blizzard demonstrated they are not abiding by the social and religious pressure of thanksgiving and Christmass, kudos to acti-blizz