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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    When you have access to countless souls across an entire universe since the beginning of time, should a shortage of talented individuals that actually belong in Bastion, Maldraxxus, etc. even be a problem? If anything, the Shadowlands seems oddly understaffed, especially if you're correct and the Arbiter is biased towards the realms we visit.
    That's the fun part about infinity. It would still be within reasonable doubt if every one of the infinitely many realms only ever got a single soul since the beginning of the universe.

  2. #82
    After questing in Bastion, and as couple of people pointed out, the memory wipe serves so that Kyrians ferry the souls without bias and judgement.

    They are not brainwashed, it is pointed out several times during questing that souls which arrive into Bastion are fully aware of what will happen.

    Also, they still have their free will and have retained their core values (that can be seen with the Paragons and their titles: ''of loyality'', ''of courage'', etc.)


    Kyrian / Forsworn story is also a good example of morally grey done right, especially with Devos, and her falldown.

  3. #83
    People don't seem to get it, the zones we are playing in Shadowlands are those belonging to the Pantheon of Death and has a task to do.

    There are other realms which I believe don't have a clear task, just chilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kage View Post
    I'm really concerned because this seems to be the only "good" afterlife, save for one that seems to be most be for nature spirits and the like. Do all good people have to live in a place with a pseudo-religious sounding devotion to abandoning your past?
    It's not the only "good" afterlife. Far from it. The way I've seen it depicted, is that it is where the most "selfless, self-sacrificing" souls are sent, among the afterlives. From that perspective, it makes sense that only the most selfless, self-sacrificing souls are sent there, since they ask of those souls the highest of sacrifice: give up everything that makes you an individual, to take up the duty of serving others.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    When you have access to countless souls across an entire universe since the beginning of time, should a shortage of talented individuals that actually belong in Bastion, Maldraxxus, etc. even be a problem? If anything, the Shadowlands seems oddly understaffed, especially if you're correct and the Arbiter is biased towards the realms we visit.
    yeah yeah, legion is infinite too yet collapsed after one city fell. scourge is infinite. the void is infinite. etc. it's almost always just a figure of speech in retrospect. it's just a rule of cool house of cards that collapses at the first touch and they overused, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    yeah yeah, legion is infinite too yet collapsed after one city fell. scourge is infinite. the void is infinite. etc. it's almost always just a figure of speech in retrospect. it's just a rule of cool house of cards that collapses at the first touch and they overused, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
    Sorry, but that's backwards. Distributing a finite number of souls over an infinite area will result in exactly what you're seeing, some smaller congregations. The souls are finite. The Shadowlands are infinite. Not to mention that neither Legion nor Scourge were ever infinite in scope. They're infinite in the sense that they can send the same soldiers against you over and over, but they still have limited resources and can overstretch their forces.

    Besides, densely populated areas don't work well in the engine, nor would they be practical as a playing field, and the world is notoriously not scaled realistically. That there are a hundred Kyrian NPCs in the game doesn't mean that's their entire population. Also, most of them would probably be busy going out and collecting those billions of souls you see streaming through Oribos at any given moment.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Not to mention that neither Legion nor Scourge were ever infinite in scope. They're infinite in the sense that they can send the same soldiers against you over and over, but they still have limited resources and can overstretch their forces.
    we only know that in retrospect. sources called especially the legion infinite both in and out the game for years, long before the truth was known.

    good chance the shadowlands infinity is highly overrated as well. inb4 "they all died off in the anima drought" or some such if it ever becomes plot relevant.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamais View Post
    especially with Devos, and her falldown.
    I have to disagree with devos. It would have made sense if she would have been tricked by someone like Denathrius (another powerfull and well known beeing in the machine of death), but she flat out runs to the very beeing she was so vehemently against when talking to the Archon. It becomes especially clear after you learn more about the "falling" process during their endgame campaign and how they are treated in the maw. This was the usual "hitting them with the retard stick" kind fo story development that is typical for wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitable Doom View Post
    Why? What was wrong with punishing Arthas?
    It wasn't Uther's call to make. Arthas was supposed to go to Revendreth to serve out his penance, or fail and THEN be cast into the Maw. There's a reason very few forces in fiction deem themselves judge, jury, and executioner, and the ones that do are portrayed as deeply-flawed, corrupt systems, and Uther circumventing the process for his own personal bias is a perfect microcosm of why those duties are divided between the Arbiter and Venthyr. Hell, even consolidating Jury and Executioner has proven prone to corruption as seen with Sire Denathrius, who has used his position to enrich the Venthyr's upper class while the rest scramble for the merest scraps during the anima droughts.

    On-topic:
    1) The Kyrian need to be unbiased in carrying out their duties. Uther was promoted before he could come to terms with his past and because of it, his bias overcame his sense of duty. While Devos is right in that this doesn't necessitate a memory wipe (doing so is just the most surefire means), her and Uther's "solution" was likely what gave the Jailor the idea to pursue his current plan in the first place.

    2) The five afterlives we frequent are not the only ones in the Shadowlands, just the only ones relevant to the story. These are the ones vital to keeping the show running, so to speak, while the other afterlives just kinda do their thing. Stopping by Lebowski's Groovy Death Pad where nothing bad happens wouldn't really make for engaging gameplay.
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  10. #90
    Because that's what the good guys always do. Right?

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellobolis View Post
    we only know that in retrospect. sources called especially the legion infinite both in and out the game for years, long before the truth was known.

    good chance the shadowlands infinity is highly overrated as well. inb4 "they all died off in the anima drought" or some such if it ever becomes plot relevant.
    Except they don't need to die off to get the result we see. Low population density is precisely what one would expect given the constraints(available space far greater than influx of habitants). The error is in StationaryHawk's expectations, not the situation.

  12. #92
    It's pretty much a function of most afterlives in the real world that your memories don't transfer with you. If you remembered all the bad things from your life it wouldn't be paradise, no? Being able to keep your memory is pretty much reserved for the bad places in afterlife mythology, because it's better to torment you with.
    Shut your goddamn mouth, Gene!

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by KSM899 View Post
    People don't seem to get it, the zones we are playing in Shadowlands are those belonging to the Pantheon of Death and has a task to do.

    There are other realms which I believe don't have a clear task, just chilling.
    so arbitar doesnt send souls to other after lives? how do anyone wind up there then?

    if you could give us a back up to the statement it would be lovely as well.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaL View Post
    so arbitar doesnt send souls to other after lives? how do anyone wind up there then?

    if you could give us a back up to the statement it would be lovely as well.
    How did you get that from the post you quoted? It doesn't even talk about the Arbiter at all.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    How did you get that from the post you quoted? It doesn't even talk about the Arbiter at all.
    who is Pantheon of Death?

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaL View Post
    who is Pantheon of Death?
    The opposite of the other Pantheon, probably the pantheon the jailer was part of.

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by LuminaL View Post
    who is Pantheon of Death?
    It's talking about the zones. Not the leaders.

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