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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post
    Looking at it from a different POV, if they've spent a few hundred hours playing, that money to time ratio is still on par/higher than you'd get from buying a few AAA games on release. That said, the best thing about Dota is the ability to buy & sell cosmetics with other players. 90% of all tradeable items can be had for less than $1, and can be resold for similar amounts afterwards.

    I don't participate in microtransactions all that much personally, but some are a lot worse than others. Fifa for example is absolutely predatory on young kids.
    It is predatory any way you try and spin it. I actively refuse to buy DLC unless it is a full on expansion to a game.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    It is predatory any way you try and spin it. I actively refuse to buy DLC unless it is a full on expansion to a game.
    The severity changes for me depending on the target audience for the game. When a hardcore CRPG comes out with preorder/DLC skins & in-game pets I tend to think a bit less of it because the game is primarily aimed at adults who can make their own minds up about that sort of stuff. Fifa however is gambling aimed primarily at children, which to me is a hell of a lot worse than most titles.

    I'm like you. I'll always buy soundtracks, but other than that, it's almost always just expansions & in-game content. I stopped buying WoW store mounts/pets back in Cata/MoP & I'm glad to say I've stuck with it since.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Xlightning View Post
    Even if you are rich, I don't get it how can people throw so much money at microtrasactions. I mean, a few bucks for an awesome DLC or expansion with a lot of content? Sure.
    Now, skins? Toys? Mounts? The problem is the people, if no one bought that shit, they wouldn't make it.
    How can anyone spend $4 on a cup of coffee that is no better than 60 cent coffee? How does anyone pay $8 for a burger when there are $1 burgers to buy? Who would pay $15 a month to play a video game when there are thousands of free games to play?

    I don't get a lot of the microtransactions myself, but I also have to admit I've wasted lots of money on things over the years, things one could easily argue could be done for a fraction of the cost.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Xlightning View Post
    Even if you are rich, I don't get it how can people throw so much money at microtrasactions. I mean, a few bucks for an awesome DLC or expansion with a lot of content? Sure.
    Now, skins? Toys? Mounts? The problem is the people, if no one bought that shit, they wouldn't make it.
    Huh, what? What's so weird about paying money for a cosmetic skin that you really like aesthetically?

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Xlightning View Post
    Even if you are rich, I don't get it how can people throw so much money at microtrasactions. I mean, a few bucks for an awesome DLC or expansion with a lot of content? Sure.
    Now, skins? Toys? Mounts? The problem is the people, if no one bought that shit, they wouldn't make it.
    Right? The value just isn't there. Blizzard releases store mounts that cost 20 bucks whereas companies like CD Projekt Red put out DLC with 10-20 hour playtime for 10 bucks. I will never understand this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toybox View Post
    The severity changes for me depending on the target audience for the game. When a hardcore CRPG comes out with preorder/DLC skins & in-game pets I tend to think a bit less of it because the game is primarily aimed at adults who can make their own minds up about that sort of stuff. Fifa however is gambling aimed primarily at children, which to me is a hell of a lot worse than most titles.

    I'm like you. I'll always buy soundtracks, but other than that, it's almost always just expansions & in-game content. I stopped buying WoW store mounts/pets back in Cata/MoP & I'm glad to say I've stuck with it since.
    I know but I just don't buy DLC anymore unless it is really worth it to me.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Right? The value just isn't there. Blizzard releases store mounts that cost 20 bucks whereas companies like CD Projekt Red put out DLC with 10-20 hour playtime for 10 bucks. I will never understand this.
    What's to understand? People pay for mounts that cost 20 bucks... hence they sell them for 20 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Huh, what? What's so weird about paying money for a cosmetic skin that you really like aesthetically?
    Because they are almost always overpriced. A WoW skin or mount for example, how many hours do you think it takes to create it? They use already existing animated skeletons btw, and they sell it for 20€.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    What's to understand? People pay for mounts that cost 20 bucks... hence they sell them for 20 bucks.
    I meant, that I don't understand why people buy these overpriced digital items.

  10. #30
    Heartstone can be considered a microtransaction? because in physical card games, you need to buy cards. My point is buying boosters is not something "additional"

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    Milking the mount buyers... this is just sad that it's that easy to milk dumb people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    I meant, that I don't understand why people buy these overpriced digital items.
    People like to own things, people like to brag and show off those things. It's human nature. We prefer to be in "have" than "have not" group. Riot Games started (and keeps going strong) with selling LoL skins.
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  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    People like to own things, people like to brag and show off those things. It's human nature. We prefer to be in "have" than "have not" group. Riot Games started (and keeps going strong) with selling LoL skins.
    It's a human weakness, especially when people are incapable of seeing how something that cost a company maybe a couple hundred dollars to produce that has no ACTUAL limitation on it (as the good is digital) could/should rake in as much as it does.

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    And yet I've played WOW and a few other Blizzard games since 2007 and not spent a penny on micro-transactions, why? because I have a choice. People forget we have a choice and act like there's a dude behind them with a gun. Companies exist to make money and they will do anything they can to make money yet even in 2020 this logic baffles and disgusts people? honestly blows my mind.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    It's even worse than that. It also includes King, their mobile game arm, which accounted for almost a third of their revenue, and the new CoD mobile game from Activision.

    Further still, the $1.2 billion for Q3 is technically "net amount of downloadable content and microtransactions sold during the period". So it isn't just MTX, it's also DLC (though some consider those the same thing).
    And Shadowlands is technically DLC, JS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    Right? The value just isn't there. Blizzard releases store mounts that cost 20 bucks whereas companies like CD Projekt Red put out DLC with 10-20 hour playtime for 10 bucks. I will never understand this.
    Because people want to buy them?

    The WoW shop is unlikely to be significantly large portion of this number, outside Shadowlands itself.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaetha View Post
    The WoW shop is unlikely to be significantly large portion of this number, outside Shadowlands itself.
    I'm willing to bet WoW tokens and the cash shop are a decent chunk of it though.

  17. #37
    So WoW is a b2p, p2w (to some people who buy tokens to get boosted via gold) subscription-based game with an ingame shop.
    WoW is honestly making gacha games look good practices-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    I meant, that I don't understand why people buy these overpriced digital items.
    Because it has value to them. I'm sure there's stuff you buy that someone else would balk at. It's the exact same thing.

  19. #39
    Boycotting seems to be going really well guys, they might need to fire a bunch of people again on these numbers.
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    I can't believe you idiots banned my main forum account because I was only showing you proof of your trolling. I will keep posting here and I will not stop this war. Just stop disrupting roleplay. You have done enough damage already.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Zergin8r View Post
    Microtransations are a predatory practice. The people that came up with the idea know that people are willing to spend a few $ and most won't look at their total spending until its to late. Same reason LoL makes so much money, I have plenty of friends who buy skins once in a while because its only a $5-$10, but after a couple years they have spent $4-$500 on a "free" game. I also used to work taking calls for mobile subscribers... it was alarming how many people would call in to see if we could reduce their bill because they spent $1000's on in app purchases. The fact that you can now make purchases via apps and have them charged to your phone bill, if you don't want to put a credit card on your acc is also something I do not agree with because this seems to bypass the "are you actually sure you want to spend this much real money" part of purchases for many apps. With a card you at least have to put in the cc code ect... but if you don't add a card purchases just go through as fast as if you were using in game currency so many people do not even seem to be aware that they are spending actual money or are ignorant to the fact until they get a phone bill that is more than the down payment for a house.
    If people are stupid enough to fall for it then it is their own fault. Functioning adults have full free will and can say "I'm putting that wallet down."

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