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    Mandatory covenat is the new AOTC ??

    The war between numbers x the Covenant you like ..begins (Yes, Blizzard already knew this was going to happen).

    I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true) I hope Blizzard will use all possible efforts to change this situation.
    I don't want to see my rogue rejected in all raids because I didn't choose a covenant that only matches the paladins ..!

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=318915/...aid-and-mythic

    Best Covenants for DPS Single target:
    (I will put a "lol" where I think that things really don't match ..)

    Frost Death Knight - Kyrian (lol)
    Unholy Death Knight - Kyrian (lol)
    Havoc Demon Hunter - Venthyr
    Balance Druid - Necrolord (lol)
    Feral Druid - Kyrian
    Beast Mastery Hunter - Kyrian
    Marksmanship Hunter - Kyrian
    Survival Hunter - Kyrian
    Arcane Mage - Night Fae
    Fire Mage - Necrolord (lol)
    Frost Mage - Venthyr
    Windwalker Monk - Kyrian
    Retribution Paladin - Venthyr (lol)
    Shadow Priest - Kyrian
    Assassination Rogue - Kyrian (lol)
    Outlaw Rogue - Kyrian
    Subtlety Rogue - Kyrian (lol)
    Elemental Shaman - Venthyr
    Enhancement Shaman - Night Fae
    Affliction Warlock - Kyrian (lol)
    Demonology Warlock - Necrolord
    Destruction Warlock - Kyrian
    Arms Warrior - Venthyr
    Fury Warrior - Venthyr

    That is it boys...
    Last edited by Fantazma; 2020-11-03 at 07:04 PM.

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    It's not a lobby game, it's an MMO. Since 2004 you have had the same 3 options:

    1) Have friends and you can play whatever the hell you want

    2) Make your own groups and you can enforce your arbitrary requirements on others

    3) Put up with whatever arbitrary requirements group leaders have for their own PUG's

    I've done a lot of PUG's over the last 2 expansion in particular (raiding and mythic+) and I'm not a meta guy. The number of times I've been questioned or kicked because of a talent/gear/essence/whatever choice is somewhat lower than 5. Maybe covenants will be slightly more impactful in certain settings, but I'm guessing not so much.

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    While this is one issue, the next one will be when people unlock higher levels of renown and their bis covenant changes. So at that point in order to maximize your dps/performance you will have to ditch your entire progress with your original covenant to switch to another from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantazma View Post
    I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true)
    It's clickbait mate.

    It's not some legit ranking based on how people actually act in the game. It's just clickbait for FOTM panic-boys.
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    That list fails to mention how very minor the differences are.

    For DK as example: kyrian, venthyr and night fae are super close.
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    Can't wait for people get to mad at me because I'm picking Night Fae on my Priest

    Looks like Kyrian is for almost everything too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantazma View Post
    I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true) I hope Blizzard will use all possible efforts to change this situation.
    I don't want to see my rogue rejected in all raids because I didn't choose a covenant that only matches the paladins ..!
    There's no fucking way to change part of the community being overly-idiotic about the meta.

    What you can limit is your exposition to those players - create your own groups, join a guild, etc (@Trend covered it for you).

    This is not Blizzard's fault at all. Classic has like 9 relevant specs and people are annoying about it there too - no designer will limit themselves because of metatards.

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    That’s not going to happen. Which covenant you pick may increase your ceiling/potential, but if you’re not parsing 90% or higher, it doesn’t change much. As long as you play your class well, you’ll always have a spot in raids.
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    This list is nice, but what I would really like to see is what the difference is between each covenant regarding output on the same spec.

    It's nice that someone says "The best for Fury is Venthyr", it might even be the case.
    But best by how much?
    2%? 5%? 10%?
    This is what really matters. I don't think Blizzard would allow one class to be basically unplayable in anything but one covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Can't wait for people get to mad at me because I'm picking Night Fae on my Priest

    Looks like Kyrian is for almost everything too
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    I can't wait for the people realising that the number between the coventants alone is not that big anymore and you can varify a lot with different conduits.

    Best example is Ret Pala. The Venthyr ability is so terrible to play with and you need such a rare occasion of perfect outcomes to get the simmed value of it. Kyrian with a certain Conduit is going to be better for M+ and ST.

    I can't speak for all classes of course. But I tested some and there are so many situations where this is true. Warrior for Example, for your own DPS the Venthyr is to go. Necrolords Banners buffs the entire raid if played correctly. This can be extremely good, might get used where you need burst in certain world first raids.

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    Probably picking Venthyr for most melee classes purely because of the -% root/snares.

    Don't really fancy any of the Kyrian spells for any of the classes except Warlock, ironically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denso View Post
    Probably picking Venthyr for most melee classes purely because of the -% root/snares.

    Don't really fancy any of the Kyrian spells for any of the classes except Warlock, ironically.
    It's the Conduits. Pelagos is massively OP right now which makes Kyrian so dominant all over.
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    Sucks to be people who can't make friends I guess. So be more sociable and less shitty at the game? All of this expectation is from years of garbage players saturating the game space to begin with which inflates expectation of pugs.
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    Most of the time when I want another Alt for alchemy or just to get the heritage armor I make a hunter. At max level I pug them through a dungeon grand tour until doing most dungeons +9 just for the fun and getting a bit of gear. All of them were marksmen in BfA.

    Not once was I even asked what spec I play, and not once did I get a comment inside the dungeon.

    I am pretty sure it will be the same for covenants. It'll be irrelevant if you don't actually push world first or +30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post
    That list fails to mention how very minor the differences are.

    For DK as example: kyrian, venthyr and night fae are super close.
    For rogues it's similar, the deciding factor is the soulbind. which also isn't that far ahead. until they nerf that one soulbind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trend View Post
    It's not a lobby game, it's an MMO. Since 2004 you have had the same 3 options:

    1) Have friends and you can play whatever the hell you want

    2) Make your own groups and you can enforce your arbitrary requirements on others

    3) Put up with whatever arbitrary requirements group leaders have for their own PUG's

    I've done a lot of PUG's over the last 2 expansion in particular (raiding and mythic+) and I'm not a meta guy. The number of times I've been questioned or kicked because of a talent/gear/essence/whatever choice is somewhat lower than 5. Maybe covenants will be slightly more impactful in certain settings, but I'm guessing not so much.
    I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunslayer View Post
    I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".
    Because you can't possibly do challenging content unless you choose all the supposed best choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunslayer View Post
    I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".
    Maybe you and your friends should stop taking premature clickbait articles from fucking WoWHead of all places so seriously?
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    Play in a decent heroic guild & you won't worry about covenants & AOTC.

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