Mandatory covenat is the new AOTC ??

[Fantazma]

The war between numbers x the Covenant you like ..begins (Yes, Blizzard already knew this was going to happen).

I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true) I hope Blizzard will use all possible efforts to change this situation.
I don't want to see my rogue rejected in all raids because I didn't choose a covenant that only matches the paladins ..!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=318915/...aid-and-mythic

Best Covenants for DPS Single target:
(I will put a "lol" where I think that things really don't match ..)

Frost Death Knight - Kyrian (lol)
Unholy Death Knight - Kyrian (lol)
Havoc Demon Hunter - Venthyr
Balance Druid - Necrolord (lol)
Feral Druid - Kyrian
Beast Mastery Hunter - Kyrian
Marksmanship Hunter - Kyrian
Survival Hunter - Kyrian
Arcane Mage - Night Fae
Fire Mage - Necrolord (lol)
Frost Mage - Venthyr
Windwalker Monk - Kyrian
Retribution Paladin - Venthyr (lol)
Shadow Priest - Kyrian
Assassination Rogue - Kyrian (lol)
Outlaw Rogue - Kyrian
Subtlety Rogue - Kyrian (lol)
Elemental Shaman - Venthyr
Enhancement Shaman - Night Fae
Affliction Warlock - Kyrian (lol)
Demonology Warlock - Necrolord
Destruction Warlock - Kyrian
Arms Warrior - Venthyr
Fury Warrior - Venthyr

That is it boys...

[Trend]

It's not a lobby game, it's an MMO. Since 2004 you have had the same 3 options:

1) Have friends and you can play whatever the hell you want

2) Make your own groups and you can enforce your arbitrary requirements on others

3) Put up with whatever arbitrary requirements group leaders have for their own PUG's

I've done a lot of PUG's over the last 2 expansion in particular (raiding and mythic+) and I'm not a meta guy. The number of times I've been questioned or kicked because of a talent/gear/essence/whatever choice is somewhat lower than 5. Maybe covenants will be slightly more impactful in certain settings, but I'm guessing not so much.

[klaps_05]

While this is one issue, the next one will be when people unlock higher levels of renown and their bis covenant changes. So at that point in order to maximize your dps/performance you will have to ditch your entire progress with your original covenant to switch to another from scratch.

[Eurhetemec]

I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true)

It's clickbait mate.

It's not some legit ranking based on how people actually act in the game. It's just clickbait for FOTM panic-boys.

[Nnyco]

That list fails to mention how very minor the differences are.

For DK as example: kyrian, venthyr and night fae are super close.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Can't wait for people get to mad at me because I'm picking Night Fae on my Priest

Looks like Kyrian is for almost everything too

[A Chozo]

I just saw this news on the wowhead website and (if this is really true) I hope Blizzard will use all possible efforts to change this situation.
I don't want to see my rogue rejected in all raids because I didn't choose a covenant that only matches the paladins ..!

There's no fucking way to change part of the community being overly-idiotic about the meta.

What you can limit is your exposition to those players - create your own groups, join a guild, etc (@Trend covered it for you).

This is not Blizzard's fault at all. Classic has like 9 relevant specs and people are annoying about it there too - no designer will limit themselves because of metatards.

[crakerjack]

That’s not going to happen. Which covenant you pick may increase your ceiling/potential, but if you’re not parsing 90% or higher, it doesn’t change much. As long as you play your class well, you’ll always have a spot in raids.

[Garymorilix]

This list is nice, but what I would really like to see is what the difference is between each covenant regarding output on the same spec.

It's nice that someone says "The best for Fury is Venthyr", it might even be the case.
But best by how much?
2%? 5%? 10%?
This is what really matters. I don't think Blizzard would allow one class to be basically unplayable in anything but one covenant.

[Makabreska]

Can't wait for people get to mad at me because I'm picking Night Fae on my Priest

Looks like Kyrian is for almost everything too

Why would they be mad if you take one for the team?

[Denso]

Probably picking Venthyr for most melee classes purely because of the -% root/snares.

Don't really fancy any of the Kyrian spells for any of the classes except Warlock, ironically.

[Fayenoor]

Probably picking Venthyr for most melee classes purely because of the -% root/snares.

Don't really fancy any of the Kyrian spells for any of the classes except Warlock, ironically.

It's the Conduits. Pelagos is massively OP right now which makes Kyrian so dominant all over.

[Unholyground]

Sucks to be people who can't make friends I guess. So be more sociable and less shitty at the game? All of this expectation is from years of garbage players saturating the game space to begin with which inflates expectation of pugs.

[Twdft]

Most of the time when I want another Alt for alchemy or just to get the heritage armor I make a hunter. At max level I pug them through a dungeon grand tour until doing most dungeons +9 just for the fun and getting a bit of gear. All of them were marksmen in BfA.

Not once was I even asked what spec I play, and not once did I get a comment inside the dungeon.

I am pretty sure it will be the same for covenants. It'll be irrelevant if you don't actually push world first or +30

[ymirsson]

That list fails to mention how very minor the differences are.

For DK as example: kyrian, venthyr and night fae are super close.

For rogues it's similar, the deciding factor is the soulbind. which also isn't that far ahead. until they nerf that one soulbind.

[Sunslayer]

It's not a lobby game, it's an MMO. Since 2004 you have had the same 3 options:

1) Have friends and you can play whatever the hell you want

2) Make your own groups and you can enforce your arbitrary requirements on others

3) Put up with whatever arbitrary requirements group leaders have for their own PUG's

I've done a lot of PUG's over the last 2 expansion in particular (raiding and mythic+) and I'm not a meta guy. The number of times I've been questioned or kicked because of a talent/gear/essence/whatever choice is somewhat lower than 5. Maybe covenants will be slightly more impactful in certain settings, but I'm guessing not so much.

I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".

[ymirsson]

I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".

Because you can't possibly do challenging content unless you choose all the supposed best choices?

[Eurhetemec]

I play with friends Ive known for over 13 years in WoW. Those friends expect me to maximize my character as I also expect that from them. Instead of saying "play with friends" change that to "play with friends that dont do challenging content, or just dont care".

Maybe you and your friends should stop taking premature clickbait articles from fucking WoWHead of all places so seriously?

[Toybox]

Play in a decent heroic guild & you won't worry about covenants & AOTC.

[Skylarking]

I somewhat recall before with corruptions that people would just be declined from groups if they didn't have certain types of corruption. Instead what happened was the usual, higher item level > anything else lol.

You can be rest assured that as long as you have higher item level over the others you will get into groups.