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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by PrimiOne View Post
    Exactly. The guy with 10 druids herbing needs to individually get the active window for every client , focus the mouse and right click it....so how do this reduce his effectiveness TREMENDOUSLY?

    What's different for the guy with 10 druids over now? Having to press the /follow macro individually on every client at the start of the session instead of mutiplexing the follow command?
    Are you actually asking how this reduces his effectiveness or are you being sarcastic I actually can't tell. It's extremely obvious how this slows him down tremendously and it's not even a question. I mean if you really need me to explain point by point how this slows him down I certainly can lol.

  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    Are you actually asking how this reduces his effectiveness or are you being sarcastic I actually can't tell. It's extremely obvious how this slows him down tremendously and it's not even a question. I mean if you really need me to explain point by point how this slows him down I certainly can lol.
    I am actually. Not familiarized with multiboxing but what I see is that there was no multiplexing keystrokes before ( the guy needed to get the active client and right click it with the mouse before) and this is exactly what he wil do now.

    Isn't it how it works now? So instead of this attitude you can just explain how it works now because I can't see a difference ( beyond multiplexing the follow command when you start the session).

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    First of all this will still reduce their effectiveness TREMENDOUSLY. You don't just gather or loot things by clicking a button, you have to actually hover your mouse over what you need, and if you do have a macro or button that does this, it is 100% bannable.

    Also, I seriously have no idea how so many of you people are so stuck on the idea of "IF IT'S NOT A SOFTWARE THEY CAN'T BAN ME". Guys, it fairly obvious what they are shooting for here. Anything that is going to replicated keystrokes, whether they didn't specifically say hardware or not, is going to be banned.

    Just like if I were to afk in an AV with an oscillating fan and a pencil isn't technically using an afk software, blizzard is still 100% going to ban me without a doubt. I honest to god can't fathom the thought of blizzard just specifically banning software when it's pretty clear what their goal is with this ban. To ban anything that replicated keystrokes across multiple accounts.
    You're hugely mistaken.

    The game already has a built in keybind to loot, it's called InteractWithTarget. It's disabled in the default configuration so most players don't know about it but you can assign any keybind to it.

    So all a multiboxer has to do is bind a macro that does assist party leader + interact with target, then bind their scroll wheel to cycle between WoW clients, and they simply spam that macro while scrolling through their clients. EZ

    Depending on the type of farm they are doing, the assist macro may not be necessary (for example if the characters are spread out each camping a spawn, they would already have targeting macros baked into their rotation).

    Anyway if you are doing a hyperspawn farm, looting is something that you only need to do any every few minutes anyway. Any in retail, unlike classic, you can loot all nearby mobs just by looting a single mob.

    Your arguments make it clear that you don't understand how any of this actually works.
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  4. #324
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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    And the whiners win....lmao I don't even multibox but the bitching from the non boxers was hilariously out of whack
    This. In 14 years I've seen like 3 multiboxers. And that's everything I can say about the topic. Some people are whining about every fucking thing for no proper reason.

  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I'm so glad this guy is no longer able to operate wow. He will quit 100%, he can't handle the game with just one character he is a truly terrible player with an ego that rivals trumps.
    He already quit, we'll see if he stays quitted lol
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  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by PrimiOne View Post
    I am actually. Not familiarized with multiboxing but what I see is that there was no multiplexing keystrokes before ( the guy needed to get the active client and right click it with the mouse before) and this is exactly what he wil do now.

    Isn't it how it works now? So instead of this attitude you can just explain how it works now because I can't see a difference ( beyond multiplexing the follow command when you start the session).
    https://youtu.be/VoG_JeuI4Fo?t=43

    0:43-1:15

    This is just the difference in looting the herbs itself. But let me walk through what this would look like in a zone where you have to fly.

    With the software/hardware that replicates your movements/keystrokes/clicks, farming basically looks like it would on a single character. Mount up, fly, find node,right click, mount up, find next node.

    But without this software it will look something like this with 10 characters.

    Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up,


    etc, etc.

    Obviously typed out it looks really really bad, and you can probably get the swing of things and get fairly decent at it, but realistically even if you are really good this is going to slow down your speed A TON. Because before it was basically just like running one character without even thinking about the others just trailing behind. Now you literally have to swap windows 10 times for every single little action you have to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    You're hugely mistaken.

    The game already has a built in keybind to loot, it's called InteractWithTarget. It's disabled in the default configuration but you can assign any keybind to it.

    So all a multiboxer has to do is bind a macro that does assist party leader + interact with target, then bind their scroll wheel to cycle between WoW clients, and they simply spam that macro while scrolling through their clients. EZ
    You don't target herbs/mines

  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Imagine making even just 30 separate accounts, like go do something better with your time...
    You don't get to choose what people enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    It is a form of cheating for sure. I'm not even sure how you can argue this.
    Because the game maker said it's not. If Blizz says "fly hacking software is allowed" guess what? It's not cheating anymore.
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  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    You don't get to choose what people enjoy

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    Because the game maker said it's not. If Blizz says "fly hacking software is allowed" guess what? It's not cheating anymore.
    Just going to say, obviously after this announcement this argument no longer holds any water for obvious reasons so there is no point in even attempting to humor it.

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Cæli View Post
    if blizzard sees that a key is broadcasted at the same time or very close interval or at the same interval (hence non human) to multiple game windows, then they will ban.
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    First of all this will still reduce their effectiveness TREMENDOUSLY. You don't just gather or loot things by clicking a button, you have to actually hover your mouse over what you need, and if you do have a macro or button that does this, it is 100% bannable.

    Also, I seriously have no idea how so many of you people are so stuck on the idea of "IF IT'S NOT A SOFTWARE THEY CAN'T BAN ME". Guys, it fairly obvious what they are shooting for here. Anything that is going to replicated keystrokes, whether they didn't specifically say hardware or not, is going to be banned.


    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...xing/707988/14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    Just going to say, obviously after this announcement this argument no longer holds any water for obvious reasons so there is no point in even attempting to humor it.
    lol alright then don't, you didn't have to tell me you weren't just ignore it.
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  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    You don't target herbs/mines
    You can scroll through WoW clients with your mousewheel while spamming a macro in your other hand that does:

    #showtooltip Mining
    /cast [@mouseover] Mining

    So neither miners nor hyperspawn farmers are particularly setback by this change.

    Also, reminder once again that only software broadcasting is forbidden by this change.

    Hardware broadcasting is still allowed. Blizzard has already confirmed this.

    So you'll have people arranging numpad keyboards in a grid, gluing chopsticks across the keys, and just pressing down on the chopsticks. This is already what people do in games like EVE Online and it's what they did previously before software like ISBoxer or hotkeynet became available in the firstplace.

    If the mining multiboxers are what you are most concerned about, you're really not understanding what is the right approach to fix that problem. There is no reason that a single node needs to be tappable by 10 different characters. Classic doesn't have this problem at all.
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  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by Zka View Post
    This. In 14 years I've seen like 3 multiboxers. And that's everything I can say about the topic. Some people are whining about every fucking thing for no proper reason.
    It depends on how big your server pop is, servers with huge player presences are the ones that have most of the issues.
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  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post


    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...xing/707988/14

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    lol alright then don't, you didn't have to tell me you weren't just ignore it.
    Thanks for posting a post by blizzard of them stating they only mentioned software lol good job.

    Also, you understand that when they say as long as the macro does what a normal macro can do in game is ok, instantly breaks a majority of how a lot of hardware multiboxers play right? They use macros built into their keyboards/mouses that function with pressing a key and minimizing and replicating that same key. Which, is not a function you can do with the in game macro so that would in fact be bannable by their definition.

    Also you are right, I won't argue it, because it's factually incorrect at this point LOL

  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    Thanks for posting a post by blizzard of them stating they only mentioned software lol good job.

    Also, you understand that when they say as long as the macro does what a normal macro can do in game is ok, instantly breaks a majority of how a lot of hardware multiboxers play right? They use macros built into their keyboards/mouses that function with pressing a key and minimizing and replicating that same key. Which, is not a function you can do with the in game macro so that would in fact be bannable by their definition.

    Also you are right, I won't argue it, because it's factually incorrect at this point LOL
    That is not how hardware multiboxers play....

    They either use a USB device that connects the same keyboard to multiple machines.

    OR, they get multiple mini-keyboards and physically connect keys on them so that they are always pressed in sync.
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  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    You can scroll through WoW clients with your mousewheel while spamming a macro in your other hand that does:

    #showtooltip Mining
    /cast [@mouseover] Mining

    So neither miners nor hyperspawn farmers are particularly setback by this change.

    Also, reminder once again that only software broadcasting is forbidden by this change.

    Hardware broadcasting is still allowed. Blizzard has already confirmed this.

    So you'll have people arranging numpad keyboards in a grid, gluing chopsticks across the keys, and just pressing down on the chopsticks. This is already what people do in games like EVE Online and it's what they did previously before software like ISBoxer or hotkeynet became available in the firstplace.

    If the mining multiboxers are what you are most concerned about, you're really not understanding what is the right approach to fix that problem. There is no reason that a single node needs to be tappable by 10 different characters. Classic doesn't have this problem at all.
    I basically already answered you question as to why this would slow down their work tremendously in another post right here. I never said that they would be completely unable to be efficient at it still I said it will slow them down so idk wtf you are on about.

    With the software/hardware that replicates your movements/keystrokes/clicks, farming basically looks like it would on a single character. Mount up, fly, find node,right click, mount up, find next node.

    But without this software it will look something like this with 10 characters.

    Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), switch windows, Press jump (to get in the air), Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, switch windows, Right click node, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up, switch windows, Mount up,
    Also if someone wants to align numpad keyboards in a grid or set up chopsticks in order to control 10-sometimes 80 characters in order to do this and think it's going to be an easy feat you go right the fuck ahead my dude LOL. Good luck playing like that.

  15. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    Thanks for posting a post by blizzard of them stating they only mentioned software lol good job.
    Thanks, so hardware is fine

    Also, you understand that when they say as long as the macro does what a normal macro can do in game is ok, instantly breaks a majority of how a lot of hardware multiboxers play right? They use macros built into their keyboards/mouses that function with pressing a key and minimizing and replicating that same key. Which, is not a function you can do with the in game macro so that would in fact be bannable by their definition.
    That's not what that means and I feel like you know that

    Also you are right, I won't argue it, because it's factually incorrect at this point LOL
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  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    That is not how hardware multiboxers play....

    They either use a USB device that connects the same keyboard to multiple machines.

    OR, they get multiple mini-keyboards and physically connect keys on them so that they are always pressed in sync.
    That is how a lot of hardware multiboxers play without a doubt, I use to multibox myself on private servers and was on a forum with people explaining how to set this up. You're just describing a different type of hardware multiboxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Thanks, so hardware is fine
    Admitting they didn't mention something =/= they said it's going to be ok

    And I feel like you know that

    That's not what that means and I feel like you know that
    It isn't? Because that's literally exactly what they said.

  17. #337
    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    That is not how hardware multiboxers play....

    They either use a USB device that connects the same keyboard to multiple machines.

    OR, they get multiple mini-keyboards and physically connect keys on them so that they are always pressed in sync.
    They should just only allow one client per unique mac address imo, problem fucking solved across the board. Fuck if someone payed for an extra account they can get another machine to play it.
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  18. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I basically already answered you question as to why this would slow down their work tremendously in another post right here. I never said that they would be completely unable to be efficient at it still I said it will slow them down so idk wtf you are on about.



    Also if someone wants to align numpad keyboards in a grid or set up chopsticks in order to control 10-sometimes 80 characters in order to do this and think it's going to be an easy feat you go right the fuck ahead my dude LOL. Good luck playing like that.
    Nobody is playing 80 characters to farm ores. IIRC each node is only tappable by 10 characters so doing more than 10 is a waste.

    What % slowdown do you really think this is? Most of your time is spent flying to the next node, only a smaller fraction is spent mounting up and mining.

    Let's just pick a dumb guess like maybe it is 15% slowdown, just for the sake of argument.

    Let's look at the economics, what happens when the price of Ores goes up do to decreased supply? If multiboxers are completely ruining the game economy as you have previously argued, then you should expect that ore price will increase dramatically.

    Now look at an individual multiboxer who stopped and is evaluating the decision whether to continue multiboxing or not. "Hmmm, my mining route got 15% slower, but the price of ores also increased dramtically, is it worth it for me to try multiboxing again??"

    Ultimately the effort/reward ratio will reach an equilibrium which is not likely to be very different from what it is currently. If less people participate, the activity will become more rewarding, enticing more people to participate.

    Also keep in mind that if they use a hardware multiboxing setup, the slowdown is 0%.

    The only way to make this problem go away, is to make it so that a node can't be mined by 10 different characters at all.
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  19. #339
    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    You don't get to choose what people enjoy
    But I get to belittle it.

  20. #340
    On the one hand, I'm glad this is happening. Multiboxing bots are scum.

    On the other hand, those multiboxing botting Druids have been a great way for my low ilvl alts to easily finish the "kill 25 players in Kul'Tiras/Zandalar" quest. I made really good use of them in Zuldazar last night while leveling an alt: I couldn't solo the massive devilsaur but a Druid bot was nearby AOEing down a ton of mobs, so I kited him over to the Druid for some extra dps and got the quest done. My creative solution to Blizzard removing under-level-50 player's access to the group finder tool.

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