View Poll Results: Special Senate Runoff Outcome

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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/sidney-powe...or-gop-1557898



    The Immaculate Deception. If Democrats win, it's proof it's rigged. If Republicans win, it's proof its rigged and Democrats didn't want to get caught.

    It's wonderful when you have a self-feeding conspiracy.
    These kinds of stories are eroding American faith in democracy and in our government.

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    I mean, I still cannot imagine McConnell is having a good time having rejected 2k and an easy win to shield his people in Georgia. I mean Democrats are skilled at losing to Mitch McConnell, it is the one consistent trait that they cannot seem to ever win out against that guy. That and the likelihood that most of the money being raised is just being funneled into the high priced ecosystem of consultants who have no clue and are excellent at losing, there is still a good chance McConnell manages to keep power.

    But rejecting 2k dollarydoos for everyone should be a death sentence. Plus McConnell went against Trump and Trumps voters seem to decamping and breaking against the GOP; so it is possible that McConnell is doomed at long last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    I mean, I still cannot imagine McConnell is having a good time having rejected 2k and an easy win to shield his people in Georgia. I mean Democrats are skilled at losing to Mitch McConnell, it is the one consistent trait that they cannot seem to ever win out against that guy. That and the likelihood that most of the money being raised is just being funneled into the high priced ecosystem of consultants who have no clue and are excellent at losing, there is still a good chance McConnell manages to keep power.

    But rejecting 2k dollarydoos for everyone should be a death sentence. Plus McConnell went against Trump and Trumps voters seem to decamping and breaking against the GOP; so it is possible that McConnell is doomed at long last.
    McConnel attached Trump’s demand for repeal of section 230 and election fraud... did the rising forget the obvious and predicted poison pill that McConnel enacted yesterday? Weird...

    The bold... is your argument against the 2k counting as austerity? If you argue that money going directly to American people, is going to consultants, what’s the point? What’s the point of any social programs and support? M4A will exclude these consultants?
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  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    McConnel attached Trump’s demand for repeal of section 230 and election fraud... did the rising forget the obvious and predicted poison pill that McConnel enacted yesterday? Weird...

    The bold... is your argument against the 2k counting as austerity? If you argue that money going directly to American people, is going to consultants, what’s the point? What’s the point of any social programs and support? M4A will exclude these consultants?
    I hope everyone is smart enough to throw this shitty bill out. Because all repealing section 230 will do, is make sure that conservatives are banned more often, especially Trump for his repeated violations of their ToS.

  5. #185
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    I hope everyone is smart enough to throw this shitty bill out. Because all repealing section 230 will do, is make sure that conservatives are banned more often, especially Trump for his repeated violations of their ToS.
    could end up with zucker and jack behind bars tho lol

  6. #186
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    could end up with zucker and jack behind bars tho lol
    No, it wouldn't. It would be like if someone walked into Walmart that was banned for shoplifting, and they were trespassing. They could simply have the trespassers removed, and face jail time for it. It would never probably touch the managers, or in this case Zuckerberg or Jack.

  7. #187
    Republicans won the first election cycle over the 2k stimulus checks with the news reports about Perdue and Leoffler supporting the $2k stimulus bill. Well done republicans.

    They are losing all the rest of them.

    There are a good number of articles such as the following:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcc...183006159.html

    Title: Mitch McConnell says the Senate will consider Trump's demand for $2,000 stimulus checks but rejects initial vote

    The article kind of tries to defend McConnell as he tries to get through the Georgia election cycle without allowing a vote on it. But the gist of this article, and many others is: democrats and Trump want to up the stimulus checks from $600 to $2k and put money into the pockets of every day Americans. McConnell and the republicans are blocking it.

    Americans ARE getting the message too.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...-senate-polls/

    Over the last couple of days, both Warnock and Ossoff have picked up ground against the two republicans. Ossoff is up by a full point, Warnock is up by almost 2 points.

    We may or may not get the $2k stimulus, but Pelosi, Schumer, and Sanders have done a marvelous job of putting McConnell on the defensive and helping both Georgia Senate candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    We may or may not get the $2k stimulus, but Pelosi, Schumer, and Sanders have done a marvelous job of putting McConnell on the defensive and helping both Georgia Senate candidates.
    With the pressure AOC and other progressive democrats were under, to pull shit over M4A, they deserve credit for not falling for it.
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  9. #189
    Having thought of the poison pills that McConnell wants to add to the stimulus bill, I would recommend the following strategy:

    Compromise with McConnell by allowing the voter fraud section while removing the 230 section.
    Pass the bill with one of the poison pills.

    Then, for the voter fraud investigation:

    Be sure to investigate red counties for voter fraud. European vote check groups checked Florida after the Gore-Bush election just like they would a third world country having election issues. What they found is that most of the voter fraud - and by most I mean like 90% - was done for republicans in areas that they had large majorities.

    To add to that: investigate and launch lawsuits against state government officials that made it harder to vote. Impeding voting IS vote fraud.

    This is exactly the right vehicle and the right time to turn the tables on voter fraud and hold republicans to their stated beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Republicans won the first election cycle over the 2k stimulus checks with the news reports about Perdue and Leoffler supporting the $2k stimulus bill. Well done republicans.

    They are losing all the rest of them.

    There are a good number of articles such as the following:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcc...183006159.html

    Title: Mitch McConnell says the Senate will consider Trump's demand for $2,000 stimulus checks but rejects initial vote

    The article kind of tries to defend McConnell as he tries to get through the Georgia election cycle without allowing a vote on it. But the gist of this article, and many others is: democrats and Trump want to up the stimulus checks from $600 to $2k and put money into the pockets of every day Americans. McConnell and the republicans are blocking it.

    Americans ARE getting the message too.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...-senate-polls/

    Over the last couple of days, both Warnock and Ossoff have picked up ground against the two republicans. Ossoff is up by a full point, Warnock is up by almost 2 points.

    We may or may not get the $2k stimulus, but Pelosi, Schumer, and Sanders have done a marvelous job of putting McConnell on the defensive and helping both Georgia Senate candidates.
    Mitch McConnell has no intention of passing it, he will put poison pills in that bill and that has to be called out. Also the idea that either Georgia Republican candidate actually supports the 2k stimulus is utterly bogus.
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  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Mitch McConnell has no intention of passing it, he will put poison pills in that bill and that has to be called out. Also the idea that either Georgia Republican candidate actually supports the 2k stimulus is utterly bogus.
    I agree 100% with both of these statements. My take on it is that McConnell is fighting with every bit of power that he has to make sure it fails, and Perdue and Loeffler are flat out lying in order to keep from losing too many votes in Georgia over this.

    The fact that they are lying and saying that they support the stimulus means to me that their internal polling shows that Georgia voters, including republicans, are HUGELY in favor of the $2k stimulus. Everything that I have seen is telling me that this is exactly the kind of bill that democrats should absolutely do everything they can to make it pass, and if they fail, to get as much attention showered upon this as they possibly can.

    And they are. Congressional democrats are doing a GREAT job. And the press, even the ones that are trying to defend McConnell, are helping out quite a bit.

    If I understand correctly, the stimulus package that was passed was about $150 billion in aid to everyday Americans, and $750 billion in aid to the business community. Since we were able to afford $750 billion for businesses, on top of the March stimulus that was heavily weighted toward the business community, we can afford a total of around $600 billion for everyday Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    I agree 100% with both of these statements. My take on it is that McConnell is fighting with every bit of power that he has to make sure it fails, and Perdue and Loeffler are flat out lying in order to keep from losing too many votes in Georgia over this.

    The fact that they are lying and saying that they support the stimulus means to me that their internal polling shows that Georgia voters, including republicans, are HUGELY in favor of the $2k stimulus. Everything that I have seen is telling me that this is exactly the kind of bill that democrats should absolutely do everything they can to make it pass, and if they fail, to get as much attention showered upon this as they possibly can.

    And they are. Congressional democrats are doing a GREAT job. And the press, even the ones that are trying to defend McConnell, are helping out quite a bit.

    If I understand correctly, the stimulus package that was passed was about $150 billion in aid to everyday Americans, and $750 billion in aid to the business community. Since we were able to afford $750 billion for businesses, on top of the March stimulus that was heavily weighted toward the business community, we can afford a total of around $600 billion for everyday Americans.
    I'm surprised more that McConnell is willing the gamble so much in dedication to his Marketeering. Or he is insanely overconfident in Democrats, rather amazing, ability to blow a sure thing.

    McConnell is either getting high on his own supply; and thus gotten cocky in his abilities to hold onto the Senate, or he really is Cocaine Mitch and on some serious drugs. Passing 2k in helicopter money is so wildly popular that to not do it would seem like suicide. Plus going after Trump and defying him given the GOP doesn't really have a base, Trump does and those voters are already pissed.

    McConnell either thinks he can effectively rule the senate without a majority, which is probably true, OR he thinks he can out run this misstep, or he thinks somehow it won't hurt him. I think in general his days are numbered.
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  13. #193
    Only six days until the overpowering flurry of advertisements ends!

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    I think in general his days are numbered.
    I'm not going to say that until he is lying in a piss-covered grave somewhere in Kentucky (presumably).
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  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    I'm surprised more that McConnell is willing the gamble so much in dedication to his Marketeering. Or he is insanely overconfident in Democrats, rather amazing, ability to blow a sure thing.

    McConnell is either getting high on his own supply; and thus gotten cocky in his abilities to hold onto the Senate, or he really is Cocaine Mitch and on some serious drugs. Passing 2k in helicopter money is so wildly popular that to not do it would seem like suicide. Plus going after Trump and defying him given the GOP doesn't really have a base, Trump does and those voters are already pissed.

    McConnell either thinks he can effectively rule the senate without a majority, which is probably true, OR he thinks he can out run this misstep, or he thinks somehow it won't hurt him. I think in general his days are numbered.
    I hope you are right.

    If I had to guess, I would say that Corporate America is so used to winning every battle, and when their wins hurt America in any measurable way, they get everyday Americans to pay the price while they profit. Look no further than the American failed response to the virus, which has caused the stock market to soar to record highs while everyday Americans are hurting big time. Even the upper middle class "winners" aren't doing THAT great as they are wedded to their jobs and high housing costs eat up a huge chunk of their winning salaries.

    And the business community has a solution for people that are going to move to a cheaper city and work from home: ok you can do that, and OBVIOUSLY your salary will be reduced according to our estimates of standard of living costs.

    So the people supporting McConnell are betting on this turning out to be a victory for them one way or another. Their track record is so good for them that it is understandable why they feel this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    Only six days until the overpowering flurry of advertisements ends!



    I'm not going to say that until he is lying in a piss-covered grave somewhere in Kentucky (presumably).
    Well, much like say Henry Kissinger, the Phylactery would have to be destroyed first, and that shits a bitch to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    I hope you are right.

    If I had to guess, I would say that Corporate America is so used to winning every battle, and when their wins hurt America in any measurable way, they get everyday Americans to pay the price while they profit. Look no further than the American failed response to the virus, which has caused the stock market to soar to record highs while everyday Americans are hurting big time. Even the upper middle class "winners" aren't doing THAT great as they are wedded to their jobs and high housing costs eat up a huge chunk of their winning salaries.

    And the business community has a solution for people that are going to move to a cheaper city and work from home: ok you can do that, and OBVIOUSLY your salary will be reduced according to our estimates of standard of living costs.

    So the people supporting McConnell are betting on this turning out to be a victory for them one way or another. Their track record is so good for them that it is understandable why they feel this way.
    IMHO, and I know this will be less popular here, but most of Corporate America has already decamped to the Democratic Party anyway, leaving McConnell with only the truly scummy of shysters, Oil execs who give the GOP just in case money, and a few scant business interests like gambling and other more predatory and scummy activities to back him. McConnell also cannot continue to turn to the Christian Right, to the extend they still exist, they got what they wanted, they got the courts and unless McConnell could credibly promise an Anti-Abortion amendment, he has nothing left to offer them. All of the big players that won out of COVID, basically Silicon Valley don't give two shits about the GOP and are much more embedded in the Dems.

    McConnell survives largely either because Democrats are profoundly stupid (Who the fuck picked that McGrath lady?) OR they are easily swindled by the vast consultancy networks that orbit around them like flies.

    McConnell, to make such a reckless move with that stimulus check is taking a mighty risk. It is on the Dems to call bullshit on it and if they can't win this race, after this, well, at that point I conclude the Dems didn't want it. Either that or they need to stop depending on consultants and people from think tanks to staff their campaign.
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  16. #196
    People keep forgetting, it doesn't fucking matter if Moscow Mitch becomes the most hated human being in 49 states, he just needs to win in that shithole of an inbred backwater of Kentucky.

    And Kentucky voters seem determined stay an inbred miserable backwater as long as they can stick it to the libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    People keep forgetting, it doesn't fucking matter if Moscow Mitch becomes the most hated human being in 49 states, he just needs to win in that shithole of an inbred backwater of Kentucky.

    And Kentucky voters seem determined stay an inbred miserable backwater as long as they can stick it to the libs.
    If people in Georgia hate McConnell enough so that they vote for democrats for Senate seats then it helps quite a bit. There is still a decent chance that he gets demoted when the 2 Georgia Senators are seated.

    Note that if the two Georgia democrats win close races, then republicans can keep McConnell in the top slot for a while by challenging the results and preventing the two democrats from being seated.

    Making McConnell the most hated human being in 49 states strongly restricts the crap he can get away with, and increases the scrutiny he gets over the crap maneuvers that he pulls. Making McConnell the most hated human being in 49 states redirects American hatred that otherwise will be directed at Biden and Pelosi and Schumer and AOC and Sanders. Making McConnell the most hated human being in 49 states will improve results for democrats in state and local races all across the country in 2022. Making McConnell the most hated human being in 49 states would be quite effective in helping democrats in so many ways. It also is the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    Only six days until the overpowering flurry of advertisements ends!
    As someone who lives in Georgia and gets (minimum) 3 of those huge/obnoxious ones in the mail every day....yeah. I'll be glad when that's done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidzor View Post
    As someone who lives in Georgia and gets (minimum) 3 of those huge/obnoxious ones in the mail every day....yeah. I'll be glad when that's done.
    The difference in the tenor of the adds between the two sides is astounding, and amusing, and also aggravating.
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    Well, even if they did a 2k stimulus bill it wouldn't matter on this election since Perdue is now in quarantine. So he get's away with the lie, but that's whatever. Nobody is voting Perdue. Nobody is Voting Loeffler. They would be voting for Trump. You look at any event for Perdue and Loeffler everyone is in Trump merch. And right now, if they counted the votes, Dems would win. Dems will continue to win for the next few days. Republicans need and may very well get a big turnout on the 5th to win the election. It'll all depend on how excited Trump can get people to vote on a ticket he's not on when he goes down there to have his rally.

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