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    Quote Originally Posted by Queendom View Post
    If the conclusion is the same disregarding choices, what was the point of introducing them in the first place? To create an illusion of choice?
    Of course it was. It's to give the player a choice on whether they believed she was right an ending (really the only players who did are RP'ing anyway).

    But that's where it logically has to end otherwise how do you branch into the next expansion if you're on her side? You can't raid with the loyalists and raiding your own side is somewhat pointless. The story ends there because it has to for you to have any sort of ability to play the next expansion or you can sit in jail. Or I guess Blizzard can give you a job as a raid boss and when you die, your account gets suspended for a week Then you can say your choice mattered,

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    ..or a little redemption questchain....
    That would require people to first accept that it was wrong to support her. Not seeing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    snip
    You seem to take this game very serious, maybe a little too serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queendom View Post
    If the conclusion is the same disregarding choices, what was the point of introducing them in the first place? To create an illusion of choice?
    I don't think it was the same as disregarding choices. You got the extra cinematic and bit of lore with it. Yes, not a big difference, but for those playing in RPG way, it was a nice nod for not forcing players to do something their characters wouldn't - something I wish the game did more, regardless of whether there are rewards, consequences, or such. That said, it was clearly an early test on how choices might work in WoW done in a very (disappointingly) limited way. I hope there will be more, and the next ones to carry more weight.

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    they kinda forgot about the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazlofski View Post
    Sucks that loyalists are forced to kill Nathanos anyways.
    Obviously you cannot "save" him - but you could decide not to kill him by just not accepting the quest.

    But what is loyalty compared to a guranteed ilv 115 weapon...or two ?

    Anyway, the cinematic indicated to me that him dying actually play into his hands...as he thinks he will go where Sylvanas went...or so I understood it.

    Raidboss next maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazlofski View Post
    Sucks that loyalists are forced to kill Nathanos anyways.
    You're not forced to do anything. There's nothing stopping you from not completing the quest. Joining Sylvannas is a roleplay choice. If you choose to do that for RP, stick to your guns. If gear matters more than your choice, then you're just a gear hunting traitor and have no loyalty to her.
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    People who sided with sylvanas were dumb. Clearly siding with Saurfang was the only choice solely because you got a toy.
    Never underestimate the unknown, or some shit. *shrugs i unno*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The funny thing is that I'm not a Sylvanas fan and I still know her personality better than these Sylvanas fanboys. From WC3:

    Sylvanas fanboys: "WHAT! HOW COULD SHE BETRAY US! I DON'T BELIEVE IT! UNFATHOMABLE! I TRUSTED HER!"
    As one of my favourite villains once said: "Admiration is the emotion furthest from understanding."

    People see what they want to see, even if reality is not cooperating. Normal people will at some point realize their error, but there are those that are so fanatically loyal that they will deny reality just so their world view is not disturbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queendom View Post
    What was the point of introducing branching in BFA war campaign questline if the choices don't have any impact and all we got in the end is Garrosh 2.0?
    Did I miss something here? Was something scrapped out of the game or just not completed at all?
    I don't see any suitable conslusion for those who chose to side with Sylvanas, and now with Nathanos' death there surely be none coming.
    With Garrosh, we did not get that option to side with him. To be on the wrong side of history and all that. Exploring that this expansion was honestly really fun and I have no regrets leveling a forsaken DK to embrace it. Yeah there was some quest overlap, but particularly the last few quests knocked it out of the park, as we saw behind the walls of Orgrimmar to a city of empty streets with vendors abandoning their posts to watch the show, queues stretching out of the portal room to leave, Nathanos resorting to conscripting civilians for a militia as meatshields, and making the choice to fight veterans who have fought longer than the Horde Sylvanas is destroying existed.

    Playing the bad guy can be interesting. It's why doing it on my forsaken death knight was such a perfect choice.

    Yeah we come around by the end when Sylvanas backstabs us too, but we see behind the curtain on Loyalist side in a way the Honor/Traitor side doesn't get to see.


    (snipped, but the sign says "gone to watch the fight")

    (self aware humor is the best)

    (if I had to pick a favorite moment of the loyalist questline it'd be this)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    With Garrosh, we did not get that option to side with him. To be on the wrong side of history and all that. Exploring that this expansion was honestly really fun and I have no regrets leveling a forsaken DK to embrace it. Yeah there was some quest overlap, but particularly the last few quests knocked it out of the park, as we saw behind the walls of Orgrimmar to a city of empty streets with vendors abandoning their posts to watch the show, queues stretching out of the portal room to leave, Nathanos resorting to conscripting civilians for a militia as meatshields, and making the choice to fight veterans who have fought longer than the Horde Sylvanas is destroying existed.

    Playing the bad guy can be interesting. It's why doing it on my forsaken death knight was such a perfect choice.

    Yeah we come around by the end when Sylvanas backstabs us too, but we see behind the curtain on Loyalist side in a way the Honor/Traitor side doesn't get to see.
    From an in-character perspective I need to point out that the Ebon Blade would be the last to join someone like Sylvanas as she is in BFA. They did the whole following of evil undead overlords (that treat their people like expendable pawns), which did not end well for them and they should be smart enough to not do it willingly.
    (though of course playing a DK is always good)

    I get it though. As I have pointed out in many threads, I understand liking the villain. What I don't understand is trying to make excuses for them because people can't accept that they are villains.
    I mean I like Tarkin and Palpatine as characters, but that does not make me defend them for blowing up Alderaan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Obviously you cannot "save" him - but you could decide not to kill him by just not accepting the quest.

    But what is loyalty compared to a guranteed ilv 115 weapon...or two ?

    Anyway, the cinematic indicated to me that him dying actually play into his hands...as he thinks he will go where Sylvanas went...or so I understood it.

    Raidboss next maybe?
    Gods I hope not. It was already ridiculous that he was able to fend of 30 of us by himself. He is just a Dark Ranger, nothing more. We should be able to solo him easily. Making him a Raid Boss is giving him by far more recognition then he deserves.

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