Civil War inside Proud Boys Org

[JohnBrown1917]

Right, I don't support identity-based tribalism when it comes to physical properties(e.g. skin color). It's the worst. If people want to form identity tribes around a pure idea such as liberty or equality then I have no problem with that.



I was giving you my viewpoint. That's all I was trying to achieve.

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Nah, you know that's 100% fictional. I want humanity to grow in numbers and I don't want to see millions of people murdered in war and genocide. Your claim that I secretly support Hitler and his agenda is utterly bewildering to me.

Wanting humanity to grow by denying the reality of man-made climate change.

[Machismo]

No that is 100% fictional and imaginary. I think you may be paranoid or something...

For the Proud Boys I don't think most of them are violent but maybe most of them are racist. Society simply has to educate them about why racism is incorrect and that all people are equal and should be treated as individuals based on the merit of their behavior. The fastest way to do that is to have calm rational discussions with them and to not be so angry, paranoid, and hysterical.

Nope, you did it, and said you'd vote for him, so long as he said he would stop the genocide.

Stop deflecting for racist trash.

[PC2]

Nope, you did it, and said you'd vote for him, so long as he said he would stop the genocide.

Stop deflecting for racist trash.

My argument was that in politics you should focus on the policy values and ideas and not the person(e.g. Hitler). Even 2 years later you still refuse to focus on ideas and you're literally making this thread about me as a person. Ad hominem is when you direct arguments against a person instead of the actual position they are maintaining and the post that was linked above clearly shows that I was endorsing the opposite of Hitler's agenda.

[Machismo]

My argument was that in politics you should focus on the policy values and ideas and not the person(e.g. Hitler). Even 2 years later you still refuse to focus on ideas and you're literally making this thread about me as a person. Ad hominem is when you direct arguments against a person instead of the actual position they are maintaining and the post that was linked above clearly shows that I was endorsing the opposite of Hitler's agenda.

Sorry, your comment is clear as day.

You said it, deal with it.

It's amazing that you always seem to find yourself deflecting for racists.

[JohnBrown1917]

My argument was that in politics you should focus on the policy values and ideas and not the person(e.g. Hitler). Even 2 years later you still refuse to focus on ideas and you're literally making this thread about me as a person. Ad hominem is when you direct arguments against a person instead of the actual position they are maintaining and the post that was linked above clearly shows that I was endorsing the opposite of Hitler's agenda.

So you dont understand how Hitler being a huge jew hater and his history would affect his policies, and you'd pick him over the other candidates in the '32 german elections?

[Egomaniac]

I'd advise everyone involved to drop the whole "Hitler" thing. It's just gonna be a loop of accusation and denial that will only be stopped when it gets the thread closed.

[Santti]

I'd advise everyone involved to drop the whole "Hitler" thing. It's just gonna be a loop of accusation and denial that will only be stopped when it gets the thread closed.

I have a feeling this ludicrous gaslighting might even be his attempt to achieve just that.

[Felya]

My argument was that in politics you should focus on the policy values and ideas and not the person(e.g. Hitler). Even 2 years later you still refuse to focus on ideas and you're literally making this thread about me as a person. Ad hominem is when you direct arguments against a person instead of the actual position they are maintaining and the post that was linked above clearly shows that I was endorsing the opposite of Hitler's agenda.

What is a person, if not an amalgam of ideas? The reason Hitler the person is bad, is because he took his ideas on the road... Hitler, isn’t Hitler, without the ideas and values... that would be an unfunny Charlie Chaplin...

Edit: Why exactly do you think people are arguing against, when they bring up Hitler? Short people? People with funny mustaches? Populist orator? His art?

[beanman12345]

I have a feeling this ludicrous gaslighting might even be his attempt to achieve just that.

I agree. His hardcore defending of the proud boys wasn't working, so gotta gaslight and go off topic to get it shut down.

[Felya]

I have a feeling this ludicrous gaslighting might even be his attempt to achieve just that.

I think this might be part of the problem with the age of Trump... It’s not very likely the intent is malice...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[Egomaniac]

I think this might be part of the problem with the age of Trump... It’s not very likely the intent is malice...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Part of the problem of the age of Trump is that malice and stupidity are in equal supply.

[wunksta]

I think this might be part of the problem with the age of Trump... It’s not very likely the intent is malice...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Yeah as Natalie Wynn mentioned in her Contrapoints video on the alt-right, there's plenty of people that get suckered into fascist lies.

[ohtlmtlm]

if they succeed they can call themselves the Pure Boys