In the US our two main parties are not based on their own unique principle or idea. The libertarian party is an example of a party that is actually based on its own unique principle(liberty) but even then I would say people should never be loyal to the party but they should only be loyal to the underlying principle.
For white ethno-nationalism that's based on loyalty to genes and skin color as opposed to something that purely exists as an idea or a principle that is not exclusive to any one sub-group.
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That claim is false. The Democrats and Republicans both stand for platforms and ideas. If they didn't, there would be no identifiable difference between the two. And there clearly is.
That literally is an idea.For white ethno-nationalism that's based on loyalty to genes and skin color as opposed to something that purely exists as an idea or a principle that is not exclusive to any one sub-group.
You're lying, and gaslighting. Nothing you are posting here is done with honest good faith.
Okay so I'm saying a person should only be loyal to the ideas they support and they should never be loyal to a political party. That's my two cents.
I said "purely exists as an idea". A person's whiteness or brownness is derived from genetic values and skin pigmentation which means it does not qualify because it does not exist purely as an idea.That literally is an idea.
You're lying, and gaslighting. Nothing you are posting here is done with honest good faith.
In order for ethno-nationalism to function, there has to be a way to identify in-group members so there has to be a collection of ideas concerning who is and isn't included. There are also is a collection of political ideas on how to achieve racial hegemony.
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I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here.
Does a political party have a set of ideas?
What about this denotes superiority?I said "purely exists as an idea". A person's whiteness or brownness is derived from genetic values and skin pigmentation which means it does not qualify because it does not exist purely as an idea.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Political parties represent ideas.
I already pointed that out. You're just gaslighting.
Adding "purely" does not change anything. It's still nothing more than an idea.I said "purely exists as an idea". A person's whiteness or brownness is derived from genetic values and skin pigmentation which means it does not qualify because it does not exist purely as an idea.
Again, you're simply gaslighting.
Bro. I had this conversation with you a few dozen times, but you keep pushing this simplistic intellectually challenged dumbass argument.
Do you know what is the average temperature difference between the Sahara and Sicily? 5 fucking degrees Fahrenheit. That is the difference between decently liveable and upper edge of what is tolerable for human habitability.
The issue isn't with the average. The issue is with the EXTREMES OF THE AVERAGE. When your average increases by 2 degrees you get those heat waves that push every fucking hurricane into a category 5, it's what causes the droughts that wipe out every staple crop year after fucking year, what causes the fucking droughts that cause those fucking forest fires where you can't see the sky for 6 weeks a year in 5 states. It's those heat waves that light THE FUCKING ARCTIC ON FIRE FOR 3 MONTHS IN THE SUMMER and interrupt the winter ice formation cycle. It causes the fucking Red tides that kill every fucking living thing in entire continent sized swaths of ocean.
This has been explained to you over and over and over and over and over and over and over and but you keep fucking repeating this fucking dumb shit. PLEASE, AT LEAST UPDATE YOUR REPERTOIRE OF STUPID. Come up with something new please.
Right, I don't support identity-based tribalism when it comes to physical properties(e.g. skin color). It's the worst. If people want to form identity tribes around a pure idea such as liberty or equality then I have no problem with that.
I was giving you my viewpoint. That's all I was trying to achieve.I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here.
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Nah, you know that's 100% fictional. I want humanity to grow in numbers and I don't want to see millions of people murdered in war and genocide. Your claim that I secretly support Hitler and his agenda is utterly bewildering to me.
No that is 100% fictional and imaginary. I think you may be paranoid or something...
For the Proud Boys I don't think most of them are violent but maybe most of them are racist. Society simply has to educate them about why racism is incorrect and that all people are equal and should be treated as individuals based on the merit of their behavior. The fastest way to do that is to have calm rational discussions with them and to not be so angry, paranoid, and hysterical.
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I think he's referencing this post.
It's funny when people say that others are acting paranoid or being hysterical. Like, how many times have people been warning about white nationalist behavior and been treated dismissively or gaslighted by saying it wasn't happening. Now we have several groups that are openly espousing these beliefs and there's people running for office with these beliefs. Also, these people want to have discussions, they want it to be on media and talk shows so they can spread their beliefs. If they are called out on it, they just label you paranoid or hysterical.For the Proud Boys I don't think most of them are violent but maybe most of them are racist. Society simply has to educate them about why racism is incorrect and that all people are equal and should be treated as individuals based on the merit of their behavior. The fastest way to do that is to have calm rational discussions with them and to not be so angry, paranoid, and hysterical.
Do you think a felon who murdered someone is beyond saving or can they be rehabilitated? I think even felons who actually committed a crime can be rehabilitated so I certainly don't buy into the idea that racists in 2020 are "beyond saving". That attitude either comes from laziness or it could be because you feel too much anger and so you would rather just hate them instead of seeking improvement and reconciliation.
I don't understand this. Education should refer to true knowledge so I don't understand how education could have turned them into racists.These people turned racist because they got the education.
Even if all of them are violent it still wouldn't change anything because you can't punish people until you get explicit evidence on each person. Of course you can "watch them" but our executive branch already does watch the people who are eminent threats.And really low bar when you say "most of them aren't violent", that just is agreeing that a large numbers of them are.
If you could explain to racists why racism is stupid counterfactual bullshit, and they'd listen and change their minds as a result, there wouldn't be any racists. It would have ended back in the 19th Century. It didn't, because that flatly does not happen. It not only is not the fastest option, it isn't even an option to begin with. Racism is not adopted rationally, and thus cannot be deprogrammed through reason and logic.
Even people who are successful with deprogramming extremists know this. That's why they aim for emotional connections with these people; because those kinds of connections are the only hope they have of getting past their programming.
This is basic knowledge stuff, and you're disputing it. That's what gaslighting looks like. You're flatly incorrect about facts, here.
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This is a dishonest false equivalence.
Rehabilitation is a desired outcome, but not an expectation, of incarceration. It's also not something that can be brought about by the State; it has to be desired by the convict, fundamentally. It's their process, not the State's.
Nobody's saying racists can't give up on their racism and rehabilitate themselves. We're disputing your nonsensical view that it's just a lack of education that leads to them being racist, and that just telling them racism is wrong is all that's needed to reform a racist. Which is lunacy.