If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[Teriz]

We can though. Just pick up the engineering profession.

The Tinker’s abilities are not in the engineering profession.

[TheRevenantHero]

The Tinker’s abilities are not in the engineering profession.

In your mind only. Everyone else realizes everything the tinker does is replicated by engineering items.

[WonderZebra]

Same goes for Baker , translate cooking prof into playable class. (why not?)

Anyone who thinks Baker couldn't be a class just lacks imagination.

I mean there is a difference. Tinker is clearly easier to make a combat class around.

But yes I'm sure someone with sufficient imagination and inspiration could make a interesting baker class...

Healing spec seems obvious no?

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Tinkers already exist. They're called engineers

Accept the Goblin Tinkers in Warcraft 3 aren't playable. And engineers don't have literally all technology covered

[Teriz]

In your mind only. Everyone else realizes everything the tinker does is replicated by engineering items.

You’d have to be a silly individual to believe that building a gem encrusted robot is the same as building a pocket factory that rapidly produces robotic soldiers.

I also find it amusing that the same people making this ridiculous argument are the same people who refuse to accept that DKs are Necromancers because they wear plate armor.

[TheRevenantHero]

I mean there is a difference. Tinker is clearly easier to make a combat class around.

But yes I'm sure someone with sufficient imagination and inspiration could make a interesting baker class...

Healing spec seems obvious no?

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Accept the Goblin Tinkers in Warcraft 3 aren't playable. And engineers don't have literally all technology covered

yes they really do lmao. Claw packs and pocket factories simply don't exist in canon anymore.

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You’d have to be a silly individual to believe that building a gem encrusted robot is the same as building a pocket factory that rapidly produces robotic soldiers.

I also find it amusing that the same people making this ridiculous argument are the same people who refuse to accept that DKs are Necromancers because they wear plate armor.

As I just said, pocket factory doesn't exist in canon anymore. And DKs and necromancers are different because unlike tinker, they both exist separate from each other in the game. Meanwhile, there is literally zero separation between tinker and engineer.

[Kaver]

Tinkers already exist. They're called engineers

That’s like saying healers shouldn’t exist back when we had First Aid xD

[WonderZebra]

yes they really do lmao. Claw packs and pocket factories simply don't exist in canon anymore.

Says who, a random thread poster :L

This is the thing that estounds me is about that argument. "x-ist canon" doesn't work when blizzard can just make new canon if they want. Spaceships weren't canon expect now they are.

If blizzard want to reintroduce older stuff to design a new class they just will.

[TheRevenantHero]

That’s like saying healers shouldn’t exist back when we had First Aid xD

That is the most ridiculous comparison I have EVER heard.

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Says who, a random thread poster :L

This is the thing that estounds me is about that argument. "x-ist canon" doesn't work when blizzard can just make new canon if they want. Spaceships weren't canon expect now they are.

If blizzard want to reintroduce older stuff to design a new class they just will.

Ok well then tinker can be literally any race ever since Blizzard can just change the canon whenever they want right?

[WonderZebra]

That is the most ridiculous comparison I have EVER heard.

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Ok well then tinker can be literally any race ever since Blizzard can just change the canon whenever they want right?

Sure? I mean Monks can basically.

Some people might have a hard time accepting say Tauren Tinkers I guess but people seemed to have gotten over Taruen Paladins so....

I'm not arguing for tinkers I'm arguing against Anti-tinkers.

[The Council]

Sure? I mean Monks can basically.

Some people might have a hard time accepting say Tauren Tinkers I guess but people seemed to have gotten over Taruen Paladins so....

they have not gotten over tauren paladins. it is still being joked about.

[WonderZebra]

they have not gotten over tauren paladins. it is still being joked about.

I think most people are.

[TheRevenantHero]

Sure? I mean Monks can basically.

Some people might have a hard time accepting say Tauren Tinkers I guess but people seemed to have gotten over Taruen Paladins so....

I'm not arguing for tinkers I'm arguing against Anti-tinkers.

I argue against tinker because people like Teriz want it to remain restricted to gnomes and goblins. Which makes me prefer that the class just never becomes playable.

[Teriz]

As I just said, pocket factory doesn't exist in canon anymore. And DKs and necromancers are different because unlike tinker, they both exist separate from each other in the game. Meanwhile, there is literally zero separation between tinker and engineer.

Based on what? Blizzard not putting them in WoW yet?

Gazlowe and the Tinker both have claw packs in WC3 and WC3:R. According to Blizzard, that would make them canon lore. So that simply means we haven't encountered those devices in WoW yet.

Interestingly though, we've encountered the technology for Pocket Factory already;

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Town-In-A-Box

[Triceron]

He’s about twice as large as a Tauren, far larger than a pocket factory.

You mean the pocket factory which was bigger than guard towers?

So in other words you can’t find any NPC abilities in WoW that have level requirements.

Why would I? It has nothing to do with player classes.

Rock-it turret, Deth Lazor, and Robo Goblin aren’t bombs.

But they are technology which is covered by Engineering.

I mean what exactly are you looking for in terms of themes and avilities that Engineering doesn't cover? It seems your arguments are very specific about Technology which you deem not fit in Engineering, despite many examples of similar examples that already fit.

If you want to say a Tinker should have new abilities then sure. However your argument is that these abilities haven't been translated in the game, and Engineering already covers a bunch of that. Your specificity requiring clawpacks and pocket factories and clockwork goblins specifically is just your personal wishlist, not any means for a new class.

[WonderZebra]

I argue against tinker because people like Teriz want it to remain restricted to gnomes and goblins. Which makes me prefer that the class just never becomes playable.

I mean I get why asethically those races make more sense. But it would be piss easy to write some lore about how all the playerable tinkers are the most gifted of thier races.

[TheRevenantHero]

Based on what? Blizzard not putting them in WoW yet?

Gazlowe and the Tinker both have claw packs in WC3 and WC3:R. According to Blizzard, that would make them canon lore. So that simply means we haven't encountered those devices in WoW yet.

Interestingly though, we've encountered the technology for Pocket Factory already;

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Town-In-A-Box

They've had the opportunity to add them for the past 16 years and they haven't. There's CLEARLY a reason for that especially after MoP and WoD giving them ample opportunity to introduce them. As a result, they just don't exist anymore and you should really stop using them as examples.

[Teriz]

I argue against tinker because people like Teriz want it to remain restricted to gnomes and goblins. Which makes me prefer that the class just never becomes playable.

You do know that the Tinker is overwhelmingly a Goblin concept right? If you don't like Goblins or Gnomes, you're probably not going to like the Tinker.

[TheRevenantHero]

I mean I get why asethically those races make more sense. But it would be piss easy to write some lore about how all the playerable tinkers are the most gifted of thier races.

Goblins and gnomes are the LEAST played races in the game. Making tinker restricted to those races would do nothing but piss fans off that want to try out the new class and cause next to nobody to play the class.

[Teriz]

They've had the opportunity to add them for the past 16 years and they haven't. There's CLEARLY a reason for that especially after MoP and WoD giving them ample opportunity to introduce them. As a result, they just don't exist anymore and you should really stop using them as examples.

So do you think Blizzard is done bringing classes into WoW?

Goblins and gnomes are the LEAST played races in the game. Making tinker restricted to those races would do nothing but piss fans off that want to try out the new class and cause next to nobody to play the class.

Why would fans be pissed off? If you're a fan of the Tinker you'd have no problem playing a Goblin or a Gnome. lol!

[TheRevenantHero]

You do know that the Tinker is overwhelmingly a Goblin concept right? If you don't like Goblins or Gnomes, you're probably not going to like the Tinker.

It has nothing to do with the aesthetics. The races themselves look like utter dogshit and their voicelines are grating. I don't care if the look of the abilities would maybe look like goblin stuff. I just don't want to play the two worst races in the game.

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So do you think Blizzard is done bringing classes into WoW?

Yes. I really do. And I hope that I'm right. Because they can't even balance the ones that are already in the game.