If they made a new class in the future, what would it be?

[Ielenia]

Because I believe the Necromancer is a dead future class concept (no pun intended).

Funny how I didn't say "necromancer", but "hypothetical future class", as in, any class concept that could use blood healing, like, for example, 'witch' or whatever.

There's simply too much evidence against it.

By which it means "not much", as demonstrated, especially how Blizzard has added a myriad of new necromantic spell graphics that wildly differ from the death knight spell graphics. Necromancer is still a valid candidate for possible future classes.

I said it's conceptually similar, not that it's the exact same thing.

It doesn't change what I said: how often are those employed? Considering goblins are not just throwing those things around like candy indicate that they might be quite whimsical to become a center-feature of a class.

[TheRevenantHero]

That isn't in the class lineup though.




Kosak literally said this;



It has nothing to do with hope. It has to do with the color red not being a good color for healing spells.



In a spec that merges fire and shadow magic.....



You have "evil" NPCs healing with red spells. That means nothing with the class lineup, because the issue appears to have stemmed from Blizzard feeling that red isn't an appropriate for player based healing specs.

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Not integral to the expansion, just seem fitting for an expansion's theme. Like Necromancers or Dark Rangers in the current expansion.

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Yeah, but where's the prominent lore character to tie them altogether?

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No where in lore does it state that Shadow magic does not create soul shards, fel users (including Gul'Dan) can use shadow magic, and we were talking specifically about the Warlock class.

Also if its possible in game mechanics, the lore is meaningless. In your case the lore is nonexistent and being filled with your head canon.

Yeah you are purposely being obtuse now. Shadow magic doesn't need souls to power it so therefore it has no need for soul shards. Meanwhile, fel magic DOES require souls to keep going which is why soul shards are a thing in the lore. You're disregarding the lore that's been put right in front of you. Saying Gul'dan uses shadow magic too doesn't change the fact that fel magic is the only magic in lore than needs soul shards. And saying "if it's possible in game mechanics, the lore is meaningless" is hands down the most asinine thing you have EVER said. The lore isn't inconsistent. I'm not citing headcanon. You're just being childish and refusing to admit you're wrong.

[shoc]

I don't think we will get any more classes anyways. The cost of balancing is exponential with the number of classes added, they already drop the ball so hard with class balance and equity that I doubt they'd make it harder for themselves.

[jellmoo]

I can see why some people would feel that way. I do think you make a class theme stronger by restricting it to certain races (Druids, Demon Hunters, Shaman). However, I can also see the value in spreading it to many races.

I think that often times people will choose what to play one of two ways. Either they love a race and then pick a class, or they simply love a class and pick a race to play. I know it seems a little obvious, but I think that overly restrictive classes really mess with the former. If we have a new super restrictive class (let's say a Tinker with the Gnome/Goblin/M.Gnome/Vulpera restriction) then we have a potential situation where people who love to play as Humans, Dwarves, Draenei, Worgen, Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Forsaken haven't gotten a new class to play with in 5 expansions. That is an incredibly bitter pill to swallow.

I do think that could be interesting, and if Blizzard magically agreed with me and allowed you to play a Chromatic Dragon that can take on the aspects of any flight, I could see those effects be a part of your true nature emerging through your mortal "disguise".

My thought would be that you would be playing a mortal creature that could borrow power as it were from the respective flights. Almost like the dragons mobilized an army of humanoids to help them through a crisis and gifted those mortals with a sliver of their power.

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Well you'd definitely encounter them in Engineering and Gnome Hunters, but they're still 100% completely optional. You aren't forced to use Battle chickens or take them as pets.

Well, I meant that you're almost certain to encounter them in the game world. But yeah, they are an optional component of the player toolkit. Unless you roll a Gnome Hunter I suppose.

If it were baked into a Tinker class ability set or rotations, then that's another story. Even having it as a Talent is sketchy, since there's meta-gaming implications there.

I do think there is some wiggle room. Throwing kegs in combat is pretty silly too. So is turning into a Laser Chicken to use moon magic. I think a class can survive having an ability or two that's a little silly, but definitely will run into a brick wall if it's ability after ability that's goofy or cutesy.

I think it'd be perfectly viable to have a Tinker that was just built around more practical use of bombs, rockets and mechs. Anything you want flavoured to be more absurd or whimsical could come from customizations or glyphs.

Oh, I agree completely. My ideal Tinker would function a lot closer to what's present in the Engineer class in GW2 than something that drops a factory with robo goblins or turns into ED-209 from Robocop. But that's just me. I'd much prefer a Tinker with a more steampunk aesthetic than... well... Robotech.

I think that's fair, though I'm sure there's merit in both concerns.

I'm completely fine with the visuals and absurdity. My Dwarf Paladin specifically took engineering for the customization and visuals and enact a more 'Steam Knight' aesthetic, including riding around in a gyrocopter or skygolem and using hand-mounted rockets to pull enemies too far out of ability reach. I just don't think it's something for everyone in a class.

I think there's potential, but it's all a matter of how they approach designing the class.

Complete agreement. In order for a class to receive broad adoption I have this theory that there has to be an option for almost anybody to say "I can make a character out of this and be badass".

A lot of people like silly and goofy, but I find that more people what to have the option to be badass. If that isn't possible, then I honestly think the adoption rate for the class will be low. I think it's one of the issues that the Monk class has. I don't see Blizzard running that risk again.

[TheRevenantHero]

I think that often times people will choose what to play one of two ways. Either they love a race and then pick a class, or they simply love a class and pick a race to play. I know it seems a little obvious, but I think that overly restrictive classes really mess with the former. If we have a new super restrictive class (let's say a Tinker with the Gnome/Goblin/M.Gnome/Vulpera restriction) then we have a potential situation where people who love to play as Humans, Dwarves, Draenei, Worgen, Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Forsaken haven't gotten a new class to play with in 5 expansions. That is an incredibly bitter pill to swallow.



My thought would be that you would be playing a mortal creature that could borrow power as it were from the respective flights. Almost like the dragons mobilized an army of humanoids to help them through a crisis and gifted those mortals with a sliver of their power.

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Well, I meant that you're almost certain to encounter them in the game world. But yeah, they are an optional component of the player toolkit. Unless you roll a Gnome Hunter I suppose.



I do think there is some wiggle room. Throwing kegs in combat is pretty silly too. So is turning into a Laser Chicken to use moon magic. I think a class can survive having an ability or two that's a little silly, but definitely will run into a brick wall if it's ability after ability that's goofy or cutesy.



Oh, I agree completely. My ideal Tinker would function a lot closer to what's present in the Engineer class in GW2 than something that drops a factory with robo goblins or turns into ED-209 from Robocop. But that's just me. I'd much prefer a Tinker with a more steampunk aesthetic than... well... Robotech.



Complete agreement. In order for a class to receive broad adoption I have this theory that there has to be an option for almost anybody to say "I can make a character out of this and be badass".

A lot of people like silly and goofy, but I find that more people what to have the option to be badass. If that isn't possible, then I honestly think the adoption rate for the class will be low. I think it's one of the issues that the Monk class has. I don't see Blizzard running that risk again.

He really really really needs to stop mentioning chromatic dragons. Literally only one exists and it is so powerful that the combined might of the Aspects couldn't kill it so they just locked it away in one of Malagos' arcane prisons. There is no way in hell Blizzard would give us that kind of power. Furthermore, dragons are a race and not a class.

[TheFirstOnes]

"it wont be Necro or dark ranger since either would have been for SL." Dark Rangers are edgy hunters, and Necromancers are Warlocks if they wielded death magics. They're not really "new class" worthy. If anything, they're moreso "new spec" worthy.

Like, imagine a Mage or a Warlock that could spec into "Necromancer", or a Hunter specing into "Dark Ranger". Fits perfectly tbh.

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"He really really really needs to stop mentioning chromatic dragons. Literally only one exists and it is so powerful that the combined might of the Aspects couldn't kill it so they just locked it away in one of Malagos' arcane prisons. There is no way in hell Blizzard would give us that kind of power. Furthermore, dragons are a race and not a class."

At MOST, we could get something akin to a Dragonsworn class, where you can make a race and basically be apart of the Dragon Flights. But, that's a massive doubt, especially considering most of the magics each dragonflight possesses already exist in playable class format. Hell, Mages even have time warping abilities.

I don't see any real "class" happening in future WoW lore tbh. Would love a Bard class, but that's moreso a joke than anything, really.

And you're right about Chromatus. My assumption is that he'll be in the next expansion as a final boss for one of the launch raids.

I explained what my assumptions for 10.0 were already in other threads, but to keep it simples: Light Vs Shadow, Light is prominent in the beginning parts of the Expansion, with Shadow being prominent later on, the Dragon Isles are a continent, we have 2 beginner raids (One being with Yrel, Turalyon, and Lothraxion), while the other is with the remains of the Infinite Dragonflight, the Chromatic flight, as well as Chromatus (Who could be the final boss of said raid), and inbetween we'll have a Sargeras mini raid where we fight him at both the Seat of the Pantheon, as well as the Plane of Order.

That's my stupid fucking theory, right there. But, still, I expect Chromatus to be a raid boss sometime in the future anyway. It would definitely not be impossible for us to kick his ass.

[Teriz]

Funny how I didn't say "necromancer", but "hypothetical future class", as in, any class concept that could use blood healing, like, for example, 'witch' or whatever.

Female Warlocks are witches.

By which it means "not much", as demonstrated, especially how Blizzard has added a myriad of new necromantic spell graphics that wildly differ from the death knight spell graphics. Necromancer is still a valid candidate for possible future classes.

They also added a lot of necromantic spells, art assets and characters into this expansion, even created multiple realms where death, dying, decay, blood, and necromancy are the themes and where Bolvar, Kelthuzad, and Sylvanas. Still no new Necromancer or Dark Ranger class.

It doesn't change what I said....

I know but my point was that it shows that conceptually Goblins have the technology to produce miniaturized buildings and deploy those buildings in emergency situations. Whether or not that is a whimsical concept for a class is up to Blizzard to decide. However, since it is a WC3 ability attached to a WC3 hero, it has a high chance of implementation if a Tinker is brought into WoW as a class.

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I think that often times people will choose what to play one of two ways. Either they love a race and then pick a class, or they simply love a class and pick a race to play. I know it seems a little obvious, but I think that overly restrictive classes really mess with the former. If we have a new super restrictive class (let's say a Tinker with the Gnome/Goblin/M.Gnome/Vulpera restriction) then we have a potential situation where people who love to play as Humans, Dwarves, Draenei, Worgen, Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, and Forsaken haven't gotten a new class to play with in 5 expansions. That is an incredibly bitter pill to swallow.

Given that it is doubtful that the Tinker would be available for all races, there's going to be players feeling like that regardless.

My thought would be that you would be playing a mortal creature that could borrow power as it were from the respective flights. Almost like the dragons mobilized an army of humanoids to help them through a crisis and gifted those mortals with a sliver of their power.

That's a covenant system though. Even the Timewalkers were established classes imbued with abilities from the Bronze dragon flight, and Dragonsworn were also established classes that had a few dragon blessings tacked on, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we'd get instead of a class.

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He really really really needs to stop mentioning chromatic dragons. Literally only one exists and it is so powerful that the combined might of the Aspects couldn't kill it so they just locked it away in one of Malagos' arcane prisons. There is no way in hell Blizzard would give us that kind of power. Furthermore, dragons are a race and not a class.

Doesn't Blizzard control the lore? Thus, couldn't Blizzard alter that entire lore with a stroke of a pen?

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I don't think we will get any more classes anyways. The cost of balancing is exponential with the number of classes added, they already drop the ball so hard with class balance and equity that I doubt they'd make it harder for themselves.

That's a popular belief, but as Shadowlands and BFA has shown, regardless of what's added to the game, people will complain that their class of choice is getting shafted because the developers aren't paying attention to them.

So given that, you might as well bring in some new stuff for people to enjoy.

We also have two tech-based WC3 heroes sitting on the sidelines with none of the abilities employed by any WoW classes. The only heroes whose entire ability kit has never appeared in WoW classes. This is especially odd given that both heroes are Goblins. Also Goblins in of themselves have no hybrid class that can tank, DPS, and heal. Again, the only race where this is the case.

[TheFirstOnes]

"Female Warlocks are witches." True in a sense. WoW has many different types of witches, so there are many different definitions provided for em. While Female Warlocks are considered to be "witches", they themselves aren't "true" witches. True witches would be more akin to the old hags we see in Drustvar.

[Triceron]

He really really really needs to stop mentioning chromatic dragons. Literally only one exists and it is so powerful that the combined might of the Aspects couldn't kill it so they just locked it away in one of Malagos' arcane prisons. There is no way in hell Blizzard would give us that kind of power. Furthermore, dragons are a race and not a class.

Agreed.

Chromatic just aren't going to be a thing, and theres so many other ways to bridge together all draconic magic since we already have more successful alternatives like the Demon soul or the artifacts that contain dragon powers like Tarecgosa's Wrath or Eranikus' Gem.

[Teriz]

"Female Warlocks are witches." True in a sense. WoW has many different types of witches, so there are many different definitions provided for em. While Female Warlocks are considered to be "witches", they themselves aren't "true" witches. True witches would be more akin to the old hags we see in Drustvar.

Eh, not enough of a difference to make a distinction honestly. Drustvar witches cursed people, and Warlocks can curse people. Drustvar witches corrupted creatures, Warlocks can also corrupt creatures. It's honestly just different flavors of Coke.

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Agreed.

Chromatic just aren't going to be a thing, and theres so many other ways to bridge together all draconic magic since we already have more successful alternatives like the Demon soul or the artifacts that contain dragon powers like Tarecgosa's Wrath or Eranikus' Gem.

What would stop it from happening?

You could have players pick any standard race they want and on the customization select screen it would be just like inverted Worgen where you can select your mortal race appearance and your dragon's appearance. They could pick from an assortment of colors and features; Wings, Horns, Jaw structure, Eyes, etc.

The player dragons can be about the size of your standard dragon mounts.

Whatever lore hang ups are in place, Blizzard can writer around them like they always do.

You got Wrathion as the hero archetype, and you got Alexstrasza, Chromie, and Deathwing from HotS for mechanics and even some abilities and talents.

And just like that you get the most popular class in WoW.

[TheRevenantHero]

Female Warlocks are witches.




They also added a lot of necromantic spells, art assets and characters into this expansion, even created multiple realms where death, dying, decay, blood, and necromancy are the themes and where Bolvar, Kelthuzad, and Sylvanas. Still no new Necromancer or Dark Ranger class.




I know but my point was that it shows that conceptually Goblins have the technology to produce miniaturized buildings and deploy those buildings in emergency situations. Whether or not that is a whimsical concept for a class is up to Blizzard to decide. However, since it is a WC3 ability attached to a WC3 hero, it has a high chance of implementation if a Tinker is brought into WoW as a class.

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Given that it is doubtful that the Tinker would be available for all races, there's going to be players feeling like that regardless.



That's a covenant system though. Even the Timewalkers were established classes imbued with abilities from the Bronze dragon flight, and Dragonsworn were also established classes that had a few dragon blessings tacked on, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we'd get instead of a class.

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Doesn't Blizzard control the lore? Thus, couldn't Blizzard alter that entire lore with a stroke of a pen?

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That's a popular belief, but as Shadowlands and BFA has shown, regardless of what's added to the game, people will complain that their class of choice is getting shafted because the developers aren't paying attention to them.

So given that, you might as well bring in some new stuff for people to enjoy.

We also have two tech-based WC3 heroes sitting on the sidelines with none of the abilities employed by any WoW classes. The only heroes whose entire ability kit has never appeared in WoW classes. This is especially odd given that both heroes are Goblins. Also Goblins in of themselves have no hybrid class that can tank, DPS, and heal. Again, the only race where this is the case.

For one, your entire concept is ridiculous because dragons are a race and not a fucking class. For two, Blizzard made it INCREDIBLY clear that creating a chromatic dragon was insanely difficult as there were hundreds, if not thousands of attempts, with only one successful one. And that one chromatic dragon was powerful enough to stand against all of the Aspects by themself. Furthermore, the people who created Chromatus are all dead. If they wrote chromatics back in, it would be the dumbest fucking thing they've ever done and would prove once and for all that the company is absolute fucking garbage when it comes to writing.

So hopefully your insane idea never ever sees the light of day.

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Eh, not enough of a difference to make a distinction honestly. Drustvar witches cursed people, and Warlocks can curse people. Drustvar witches corrupted creatures, Warlocks can also corrupt creatures. It's honestly just different flavors of Coke.

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What would stop it from happening?

You could have players pick any standard race they want and on the customization select screen it would be just like inverted Worgen where you can select your mortal race appearance and your dragon's appearance. They could pick from an assortment of colors and features; Wings, Horns, Jaw structure, Eyes, etc.

The player dragons can be about the size of your standard dragon mounts.

Whatever lore hang ups are in place, Blizzard can writer around them like they always do.

You got Wrathion as the hero archetype, and you got Alexstrasza, Chromie, and Deathwing from HotS for mechanics and even some abilities and talents.

And just like that you get the most popular class in WoW.

For one, dragons are sterile now. This was established in Cataclysm so making dragons a playable race just isn't possible. For two, IT'S NOT A FUCKING CLASS. IT'S A FUCKING RACE. It's fucking infuriating that you keep insisting that dragons be a class despite that making absolutely no fucking sense.

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"Female Warlocks are witches." True in a sense. WoW has many different types of witches, so there are many different definitions provided for em. While Female Warlocks are considered to be "witches", they themselves aren't "true" witches. True witches would be more akin to the old hags we see in Drustvar.

No. A witch is a witch. Warlock is a term meaning "oathbreaker", as in an individual who went against the teachings of whatever coven they were a part of. Men are called witches as much as women can be called warlocks. Based on the dark magic that warlocks use in game, that's likely where Blizzard drew the inspiration for the class.

[Teriz]

For one, your entire concept is ridiculous because dragons are a race and not a fucking class. For two, Blizzard made it INCREDIBLY clear that creating a chromatic dragon was insanely difficult as there were hundreds, if not thousands of attempts, with only one successful one. And that one chromatic dragon was powerful enough to stand against all of the Aspects by themself. Furthermore, the people who created Chromatus are all dead. If they wrote chromatics back in, it would be the dumbest fucking thing they've ever done and would prove once and for all that the company is absolute fucking garbage when it comes to writing.

So hopefully your insane idea never ever sees the light of day.

Is there some mechanical issue within WoW that wouldn't allow Dragons to essentially be a class? Do you think players would refuse to play such a class because Blizzard made dragons both a race and a class? Do you think people would refuse to purchase the expansion because dragons are made into both a race and a class?

For one, dragons are sterile now. This was established in Cataclysm so making dragons a playable race just isn't possible. For two, IT'S NOT A FUCKING CLASS. IT'S A FUCKING RACE. It's fucking infuriating that you keep insisting that dragons be a class despite that making absolutely no fucking sense.

All the more reason for someone to continue experimenting with chromatic dragons. Who would that individual be? Who knows and who cares. All of it would just be a vehicle to allow players to be dragons and make Blizzard lots and lots of money. I mean what I'm proposing here is relatively simple. You're acting like I'm proposing that Blizzard build a warp drive.

[Triceron]

What would stop it from happening?

What makes you think they're evn a thing? I mean, it's digging into obscure lore threads that have been pretty much closed off. No one is experimenting in them, they're abominations, and they're dangerous. Have you read about how volatile Chromatus was?

And just like that you get the most popular class in WoW.

That might depend on whether they make em a hero class or not.

[Teriz]

What makes you think they're evn a thing? I mean, it's digging into obscure lore threads that have been pretty much closed off. No one is experimenting in them, they're abominations, and they're dangerous. Have you read about how volatile Chromatus was?

I'm saying they're a possibility. As you say, the lore is obscure, and since its based on science, it's a theme that is never truly closed off.

The point is, if Blizzard did it, no one would care how we got to that point. All they would see is that you can be just like Wrathion. The checks will write themselves.

That might depend on whether they make em a hero class or not.

Again, not a problem. Heck, you could even give them their own starting zone like the Pandaren got in MoP. Except in your case you hatch from an egg and spend 1-10 learning about the world, escaping from whoever created you, meet up with Wrathion or some other dragon who serves as your mentor of sorts, etc, etc.

And the existing classes can still get crappy dragon powers.

[TheRevenantHero]

Is there some mechanical issue within WoW that wouldn't allow Dragons to essentially be a class? Do you think players would refuse to play such a class because Blizzard made dragons both a race and a class? Do you think people would refuse to purchase the expansion because dragons are made into both a race and a class?



All the more reason for someone to continue experimenting with chromatic dragons. Who would that individual be? Who knows and who cares. All of it would just be a vehicle to allow players to be dragons and make Blizzard lots and lots of money. I mean what I'm proposing here is relatively simple. You're acting like I'm proposing that Blizzard build a warp drive.

I can't even take you seriously anymore. It's a fucking race, dude. That'd be like making murloc into a class. Do you really not see how fucking asinine your comments about making dragons a class is? BLIZZARD HASN'T MADE DRAGONS A CLASS.

Malkorok and Nefarian. They created Chromatus and they're both dead. Do you even fucking read the lore or do you just read bits and pieces before making your ignorant comments? What you're proposing is fucking stupid through and through. I feel like you're just posting satire now. There is no way you can actually be serious about making dragons a class when they're ALREADY a race. A race that is going extinct because they're all sterile, mind you.

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What makes you think they're evn a thing? I mean, it's digging into obscure lore threads that have been pretty much closed off. No one is experimenting in them, they're abominations, and they're dangerous. Have you read about how volatile Chromatus was?



That might depend on whether they make em a hero class or not.

I'll answer the question for him. No, he does not actually read the lore. He reads small snippets then makes his asinine comments based on fractions of lore. The lore isn't obscure in the slightest when it comes to Chromatus. It's pretty well documented in Twilight of the Aspects. But the more he talks about making a race into a class, the more we really need to start disregarding all of his posts from here on out.

[Ielenia]

Female Warlocks are witches.

And *WHOOSH* goes the point above your head. Notice the "or whatever" there.

Also, is this a warlock?


Also, we have so many witches in Drustvar that are not warlocks.

They also added a lot of necromantic spells, art assets and characters into this expansion, even created multiple realms where death, dying, decay, blood, and necromancy are the themes and where Bolvar, Kelthuzad, and Sylvanas. Still no new Necromancer or Dark Ranger class.

Yeah. Because, as explained multiple times, the dark ranger and necromancer concept simply do not fit an expansion based on the afterlife. However, with all those assets in place, all that new stuff about necromancy that is wholly separate from the death knight, it becomes easier to imagine a necromancer class even more different from the death knight class to possibly come in a future expansion.

I know but my point was that it shows that conceptually Goblins have the technology to produce miniaturized buildings and deploy those buildings in emergency situations. Whether or not that is a whimsical concept for a class is up to Blizzard to decide. However, since it is a WC3 ability attached to a WC3 hero, it has a high chance of implementation if a Tinker is brought into WoW as a class.

A non-canon Warcraft 3 ability, attributed to a lore character by a game with arguably dubious canonicity, a character that has never shown to possess such skills in all those fifteen-plus years of WoW, since we never saw a single claw pack in this game... or even a "robo-goblin". "But Mekkatorque's armor..." Yeah, no. Those seem to be based off much more on the shredder than the robo-goblin. Which means, so far, the claw pack AND robo-goblin are still non-canon to WoW.

Given that it is doubtful that the Tinker would be available for all races, there's going to be players feeling like that regardless.

In your biased and (repeatedly demonstrated) unpopular opinion, considering all the posters who fight you on who can be tinkers, and the few who support your claim.

[TheRevenantHero]

I'm saying they're a possibility. As you say, the lore is obscure, and since its based on science, it's a theme that is never truly closed off.

The point is, if Blizzard did it, no one would care how we got to that point. All they would see is that you can be just like Wrathion. The checks will write themselves.



Again, not a problem. Heck, you could even give them their own starting zone like the Pandaren got in MoP. Except in your case you hatch from an egg and spend 1-10 learning about the world, escaping from whoever created you, meet up with Wrathion or some other dragon who serves as your mentor of sorts, etc, etc.

And the existing classes can still get crappy dragon powers.

Seriously, shut up. The lore isn't obscure at all. It's not obscure simply because you can't be bothered to actually read it. Also, stop trying to claim you know what everyone would think. Because your ideas are insane and are more likely to tank the game than help it. I don't know what's worse. You saying tinker should be gnome/goblin exclusive or that dragons should be a class despite already being a race.

Another reason dragons can't be playable is because dragons typically take a long time to mature into adulthood. Wrathion is literally the only special case and even he is still considered a juvenile.

[Teriz]

I can't even take you seriously anymore. It's a fucking race, dude. That'd be like making murloc into a class. Do you really not see how fucking asinine your comments about making dragons a class is? BLIZZARD HASN'T MADE DRAGONS A CLASS.

Again, are you saying that it would be impossible for Blizzard to make playable dragons both a race and a class? Further, do you think players would have any issues with a class that doubles as a race? It's a simple question, just answer it.

Malkorok and Nefarian. They created Chromatus and they're both dead. Do you even fucking read the lore or do you just read bits and pieces before making your ignorant comments? What you're proposing is fucking stupid through and through. I feel like you're just posting satire now. There is no way you can actually be serious about making dragons a class when they're ALREADY a race. A race that is going extinct because they're all sterile, mind you.

Okay, so are you once again saying that Blizzard can't write around the lore that they created? Look at Demon Hunters; We actually killed Illidan and his Demon Hunters in Black Temple. There's even lore and dialogue talking about how Maiev had no mission in life anymore because illidan was dead. Blizzard retconned ALL of that to bring the Demon Hunter class into the game and to bring Illidan back. Did anyone complain? Did that massive retcon prevent people from pre-ordering Legion?

No, no, and no.

So what would stop Blizzard from doing some more retconning?

[TheRevenantHero]

Again, are you saying that it would be impossible for Blizzard to make playable dragons both a race and a class? Further, do you think players would have any issues with a class that doubles as a race? It's a simple question, just answer it.



Okay, so are you once again saying that Blizzard can't write around the lore that they created? Look at Demon Hunters; We actually killed Illidan and his Demon Hunters in Black Temple. There's even lore and dialogue talking about how Maiev had no mission in life anymore because illidan was dead. Blizzard retconned ALL of that to bring the Demon Hunter class into the game and to bring Illidan back. Did anyone complain? Did that massive retcon prevent people from pre-ordering Legion?

No, no, and no.

So what would stop Blizzard from doing some more retconning?

It would be the dumbest fucking thing they've ever done to make dragons into a class when they're already a race. As I said, it would be as stupid as making murloc into a class. And I do think players would have a problem with it because at the very least it would cause massive confusion because how the fuck can something be a race AND a class?

Demon hunters are imbued with the soul of a demon. Before Antorus, this made it possible to come back at any time rather easily because of how death of demons functioned. Thank you for further proving you never actually read the fucking lore. It wasn't a fucking retcon, you fucking walnut.

The kind of retconning Blizzard would need to do in order to make your batshit insane idea work would do nothing but prove the game is absolutely a joke now and is more likely to cause players to leave. A lot of people play for the story. The story of Shadowlands is absolutely garbage and it's causing a lot of people to unsub. But people like you are apparently fine with nuking the community as long as your stupid idea sees the light of day.

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Seriously, shut up. The lore isn't obscure at all. It's not obscure simply because you can't be bothered to actually read it. Also, stop trying to claim you know what everyone would think. Because your ideas are insane and are more likely to tank the game than help it. I don't know what's worse. You saying tinker should be gnome/goblin exclusive or that dragons should be a class despite already being a race.

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of players don't know or care about any of the lore you're talking about. Further, they also wouldn't care about any of that if Blizzard just said 'Yeah, you can play a dragon. How can you switch flights? You're a chromatic dragon!" 99.9% of players will have no problem with that whatsoever.

Another reason dragons can't be playable is because dragons typically take a long time to mature into adulthood. Wrathion is literally the only special case and even he is still considered a juvenile.

Isn't that a contradiction?

I have no problem playing a character Wrathion's age.