1. #5241
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    They won't be because there won't be back to back death expansions, and there's no necromancer lore hero. Necromancer had a chance this expansion, and it didn't happen.



    If Dragonsworn is a class it's going to be based on concepts that players have already experienced in Blizzard's games. Not wholly generic concepts from non-Blizzard games.
    and there is a concept from warcraft
    that concept isnt being a dragon

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Because TBC followed Vanilla where they introduced the original nine classes.

    - - - Updated - - -



    I didn’t say Necromancy, I said Death. We’re in the realm of the dead and dealing with multiple facets of death. Necromancers as a class deal with the magic of death. In addition scourge are running rampant in Azeroth. You saying a Necromancer couldn’t be helpful in that situation as well?



    We have no idea what a dragon class would be called. People just use dragonsworn because of its connection to the TTRPGs. The point is that up to this point WoW classes have always had two elements; a major lore character to attach the class to, and it being playable in some form. Dragonsworn as you describe it has neither.
    they didnt introduce DH because they didn't feel like it actually
    from the interview
    How long was the demon hunter class in the works and have you wanted to implement them for a long time or only recently?
    A: Since we played WCIII we have wanted to implement and play them! Has been discussed during BC but mostly during the last year and a half.

    the exact wording from the interview "we wanted to impliment them since we played illidan in WC3. Like way before TBC." then the other guy "yeah that was one of the things from my first month w??? (audio screwed up) was 'hey can you try to figure out some way to get the demon hunter class into the game' and it uh as it was the timing didnt really work out because the burning crusade was the first opportunity and then we just waited and waited until we were like 'finally' legion is there this is the time"

    so contrary to your almighty opinion oh ye lord of warcraft classes it was apparently just not something the devs attempted and by the time crafticus came in it was too late

  2. #5242
    The Insane Teriz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Undermine
    Posts
    18,870
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    and there is a concept from warcraft
    that concept isnt being a dragon
    Yes, Dragonsworn in the TTRPG is a prestige class, something that does not exist in the WoW class system. However, it isn’t the dragon Knight that you describe. So again, where is your version of Dragonsworn in any WC-based game? Does it exist in Warcraft at all?

    they didnt introduce DH because they didn't feel like it actually
    from the interview
    How long was the demon hunter class in the works and have you wanted to implement them for a long time or only recently?
    A: Since we played WCIII we have wanted to implement and play them! Has been discussed during BC but mostly during the last year and a half.

    the exact wording from the interview "we wanted to impliment them since we played illidan in WC3. Like way before TBC." then the other guy "yeah that was one of the things from my first month w??? (audio screwed up) was 'hey can you try to figure out some way to get the demon hunter class into the game' and it uh as it was the timing didnt really work out because the burning crusade was the first opportunity and then we just waited and waited until we were like 'finally' legion is there this is the time"

    so contrary to your almighty opinion oh ye lord of warcraft classes it was apparently just not something the devs attempted and by the time crafticus came in it was too late
    Nothing you typed above contradicts anything I stated before.

  3. #5243
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yes, Dragonsworn in the TTRPG is a prestige class, something that does not exist in the WoW class system. However, it isn’t the dragon Knight that you describe. So again, where is your version of Dragonsworn in any WC-based game? Does it exist in Warcraft at all?



    Nothing you typed above contradicts anything I stated before.
    you said they didnt do it because vanilla introduced the core classes

    from that interview its because the expansion was in production before the suggestion of DH was made by the developer

  4. #5244
    The Insane Teriz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Undermine
    Posts
    18,870
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    you said they didnt do it because vanilla introduced the core classes

    from that interview its because the expansion was in production before the suggestion of DH was made by the developer
    At this point further discussion on this topic is pointless. I'll see you in the fall with the next expansion announcement.

  5. #5245
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    At this point further discussion on this topic is pointless. I'll see you in the fall with the next expansion announcement.
    because you were wrong

    it was nothing about core classes
    it was nothing about vanilla
    it was because they didnt attempt it because they just didnt

    every time you get caught out on a point you do this garbage because you cant back up your BS claims and its been happening for 200 pages
    you arent blizzard
    you do not get to tell players which class is and isnt possible especially when you try to claim you know blizzard's motivation for their choices because it ends up like this where you get proved wroooooong

  6. #5246
    Stood in the Fire Starbrand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    422
    https://youtu.be/9IY-a8p8MR4

    So I just finished watching Bellular's take into a new class. Figured it would go nicely in this thread since it's a new video he made this week



    Also this post from the art contest is worth sharing here
    Last edited by Starbrand; 2021-03-28 at 09:06 PM.
    Grandmaster Tidestout
    <Stand Tall>US-Stormrage

  7. #5247
    Quote Originally Posted by Starbrand View Post
    https://youtu.be/9IY-a8p8MR4

    So I just finished watching Bellular's take into a new class. Figured it would go nicely in this thread since it's a new video he made this week



    Also this post from the art contest is worth sharing here
    That art aesthetic would work well with my Bard concept

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Class-Concept

  8. #5248
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yes, Dragonsworn in the TTRPG is a prestige class, something that does not exist in the WoW class system. However, it isn’t the dragon Knight that you describe. So again, where is your version of Dragonsworn in any WC-based game? Does it exist in Warcraft at all?



    Nothing you typed above contradicts anything I stated before.
    Death Knight and demon hunter were ALSO prestige classes in the TTRPG so saying WoW doesn't have anything like a prestige class is an outright lie. They just called it Hero class instead.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    because you were wrong

    it was nothing about core classes
    it was nothing about vanilla
    it was because they didnt attempt it because they just didnt

    every time you get caught out on a point you do this garbage because you cant back up your BS claims and its been happening for 200 pages
    you arent blizzard
    you do not get to tell players which class is and isnt possible especially when you try to claim you know blizzard's motivation for their choices because it ends up like this where you get proved wroooooong
    Unless you are sitting here telling him how incredible his tinker concept is and how terrible every other concept is, he will argue with you forever. Don't waste your time.

  9. #5249
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    because you were wrong

    it was nothing about core classes
    it was nothing about vanilla
    it was because they didnt attempt it because they just didnt

    every time you get caught out on a point you do this garbage because you cant back up your BS claims and its been happening for 200 pages
    you arent blizzard
    you do not get to tell players which class is and isnt possible especially when you try to claim you know blizzard's motivation for their choices because it ends up like this where you get proved wroooooong
    Also him claiming that Blizz are actually totally Goblin and Gnome fans and that a Gnome and Goblin based Undermine expansion will totally happen next, when nothing in Blizzard release history ever indicated that the devs are particularily interested in those races, while releasing extensive content focussing on humans, orcs and elves. Also that a Dark Ranger class is totally unrealistic to happen, when the lead story dev publicly expressed to be a big fan of both iconic dark ranger characters in the games canon. Because yeah, Danuser is best known to be a big fan of both Nathanos and Sylvanas which makes it most likely that the next class will be Tinker, considering that none of the both most famous tinker characters got nowhere near the development and screentime that Nathanos and Sylvanas received.

  10. #5250
    Quote Originally Posted by Starbrand View Post
    https://youtu.be/9IY-a8p8MR4

    So I just finished watching Bellular's take into a new class. Figured it would go nicely in this thread since it's a new video he made this week

    Yup, they kind of summarize the conversations we had here and in similar threads. They didn't mention the Dark ranger, but i agree with everything they said.

  11. #5251
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    Also him claiming that Blizz are actually totally Goblin and Gnome fans and that a Gnome and Goblin based Undermine expansion will totally happen next, when nothing in Blizzard release history ever indicated that the devs are particularily interested in those races, while releasing extensive content focussing on humans, orcs and elves. Also that a Dark Ranger class is totally unrealistic to happen, when the lead story dev publicly expressed to be a big fan of both iconic dark ranger characters in the games canon. Because yeah, Danuser is best known to be a big fan of both Nathanos and Sylvanas which makes it most likely that the next class will be Tinker, considering that none of the both most famous tinker characters got nowhere near the development and screentime that Nathanos and Sylvanas received.
    Back when the fake shadowlands leaks came out he was screeching that the tinker class definitely fit because of the ghostbusters theme even though in game story debunked the leak...and he kept changing it

  12. #5252
    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    Back when the fake shadowlands leaks came out he was screeching that the tinker class definitely fit because of the ghostbusters theme even though in game story debunked the leak...and he kept changing it
    Isn't he also trying to paint Gazlowe as some kind of big A-List WoW Icon? When I think many people probably don't even know who that is?

  13. #5253
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    Isn't he also trying to paint Gazlowe as some kind of big A-List WoW Icon? When I think many people probably don't even know who that is?

    If you don’t do the Mechagon stuff does he even show up??

    It won’t be until 9.2 that we can really guess the next class and no amount of head canon can change it

  14. #5254
    Quote Originally Posted by razorpax View Post
    If you don’t do the Mechagon stuff does he even show up??

    It won’t be until 9.2 that we can really guess the next class and no amount of head canon can change it
    I think so, at least amoung the leaders of the Horde Council. The quest in which he replaces Gallywix as the leader of the Goblins is gated behind the Goblin Heritage Armor Quest, which kind of tells us, how important an event like the change of leadership in the Goblin race is to Blizzard. I make the bold assumption that the majority of people who know this development, probably only learned of it through outside sources instead of the actual game, considering the small representation of Goblins inside the playerbase, to which you add that not everyone will bother to do the rep grind and do the quest.

  15. #5255
    Stood in the Fire Starbrand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    422
    Quote Originally Posted by Amunrasonther View Post
    That art aesthetic would work well with my Bard concept

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Class-Concept
    holy shit! how long did this take you??? lot of thought, detail, and effort right here! Now if I can only get this same lvl of work out of my kids...
    Grandmaster Tidestout
    <Stand Tall>US-Stormrage

  16. #5256
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Death Knight and demon hunter were ALSO prestige classes in the TTRPG so saying WoW doesn't have anything like a prestige class is an outright lie. They just called it Hero class instead.
    A phrase that has no meaning and no relation whatsoever to prestige classes at all. They're just new classes, period. The fact that they (sometimes) start at slightly higher levels mean absolutely nothing, too.

  17. #5257
    The Insane Teriz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Undermine
    Posts
    18,870
    Quote Originally Posted by Starbrand View Post
    https://youtu.be/9IY-a8p8MR4

    So I just finished watching Bellular's take into a new class. Figured it would go nicely in this thread since it's a new video he made this week
    Yeah, it appears that they believe that Blizzard is actively considering the Tinker class and is just waiting for the right time to release it.

    Interesting video to be sure.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    Also him claiming that Blizz are actually totally Goblin and Gnome fans and that a Gnome and Goblin based Undermine expansion will totally happen next, when nothing in Blizzard release history ever indicated that the devs are particularily interested in those races, while releasing extensive content focussing on humans, orcs and elves. Also that a Dark Ranger class is totally unrealistic to happen, when the lead story dev publicly expressed to be a big fan of both iconic dark ranger characters in the games canon. Because yeah, Danuser is best known to be a big fan of both Nathanos and Sylvanas which makes it most likely that the next class will be Tinker, considering that none of the both most famous tinker characters got nowhere near the development and screentime that Nathanos and Sylvanas received.
    In BFA alone:

    Mekkatorque becoming a raid boss
    New mech designs for Goblins
    Goblins and Gnomes getting ARs and heritage armors
    Goblins and Gnomes getting IE teams with HotS (Tinker) abilities
    Mechagon
    Mogul Razdunk
    The revelation that Kezan is still habitable and full of Azerite (which also indicates that Undermine is full of Azerite)
    Gazlowe becoming goblin leader
    Mekkatorque getting the Spark Reactor and becoming king of Gnomes

  18. #5258
    and yet no tinker... you know, just like we had plenty of the legion in "the burning crusade" and we had to wait until the next legion centered expansion to get the class ?

    of course, blizzard is considering the tinker as a future class, but they didn't say it was the only one? they must consider several, not like there are not concepts all around to pick.

    it'd have to be a full expansion centered around tech, and for now we have absolutely no idea what's coming for the future of WoW.
    could be the next exp & class combo, or you could have to wait 4, 6, 8 or more years. nodoby knows.

    maybe there is a slow poke race between the tinker and star citizen ? the one to release first lose !! lol

  19. #5259
    Scarab Lord
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    4,946
    I still reckon a future expansion will involve the Dragon Isles, which would be the perfect time to introduce a dragon type class

  20. #5260
    A Dragonsworn class would be the best case scenario for me.

    However i think that they would more likely turn it into another borrowed power system like they did with the covenants this expansion.

    Which sucks because it gives them the freedom to turn any class-worthy concept into borrowed power without giving us a new class ever again.

    i just depressed myself

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •