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  1. #161
    Picking something based on it being the best now is folly. We have an entire expansion of tuning and patching and systems that will dramatically change the meta. Just pick something you want for now. What is "best" WILL change - probably several times throughout the entire duration.

  2. #162
    I'll pick whatever is best for my spec according to community perception the day the raid tuning pass comes out. I will also be picking a main that day. Until then, I will just be learning the xpak and taking it all in.

    If my "test" character turns out to be the fotm, then I will keep using that one. So far, I've decided that Affliction Warlock has the best chance of being OP enough to be great, but not so OP that they get hit hard in the fist round of nerfs(hopefully).

    Once I have my fotm toon picked out for the first tier, then I will icy-veins(or whatever fotm resource is currently in style) my fotm covenant, and change each one as it arises.

    This will create a much more varied and interesting gameplay experience for me across the entire xpak, instead of just playing the same character because I've decided at any one arbitrary point that I "like" that character. It will also allow me to experience more content in the same period of time. Due to my experience at the game, I will also likely have enough time to optimize each spec after switch to increase my overall performance, so it is better for my groups as well, not just me.

    I'll also likely be able to use the catchup mechanisms to their most efficient.

    I will use this to playfully rib my friends, because I will probably out-dps them. I will say, "lol, I started playing this mage last month and you've been playing that hunter the entire xpak...nice dps" and the like. It will be absolutely hilarious like always, and that's how I like to spend my time. So rewarding to hop in a fotm spec and really push it right off the bat, to kinda shock everyone in the raid. It's all in good fun, and WHEN they beat me, I will take the ribbing in turn and it will all be fun. My dps will ebb and flow over the xpak as I go through the cycle of rebirth.

    I think it comes back to my interest in Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung. We all wear masks, and this is excellently represented by the class identify we choose when picking a toon in WoW. Traditionally, we(or at least I) stuck with a "main" or an identity that I actually adopted myself, calling myself, "I" a mage instead of my toon, and really getting into the lore/mythos. However, like the game based on the same philosophy, that main character can change masks at will to achieve the META for any situation, ala Persona 5. That is why I'm working towards, and it is just as fun and perhaps even moreso(and valid) than just sticking with one main.

    Why, in your mind, does this carry a negative connotation? Is it not "fair" that others enjoy the extra "work" involved in optimizing their character's potential? Afterall, I am playing for fun and no other reason. If I find fotm and meta fun, what is wrong with that? I've always been a "try hard" because that is just how I approach things. I've never understood abiding casual boredom when playing a game. I like to spice it up. My philosophy is if I don't care enough to try, why do I care enough to even play?

    Also, it really isn't more work, usually less to achieve similar results. It is just more "discussion question" work and less multiple choice, which I enjoy.
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  3. #163
    I'm going Necrolord since I like em, simple as that. I ain't no raider or mythic+ pusher, just here for the lore and easy lewts!

  4. #164
    Considering the "best" will change multiple times through the expansion it wont matter.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Nope, I will pick Kyrian at launch because they're the coolest looking, and most original Covenant! Angels rule!





    Venthyr are a close second.
    Plus there is a dark variation the the wings that are in the game files which would rock on my DK haha.
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  6. #166
    i stopped caring about min - maxing at the end of mop so me and my wife will just level pretty slowly in ardenveald.

    don't even care about the possible benefits etc.
    war does not determine who is right, only who is left.

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    They nerfing Kyrian according to wowhead, https://www.wowhead.com/news=319214/...eirmir-changes

    Also nerfing necros too, which is a moot point cause I was gonna go vampires on my forsaken sp who’s quite dapper.

  8. #168
    I will choose Kyrian as Enhancement Shaman due to Vesper totem being the only "real" option. As a side note, I have absolute no wish to be Kyrian. Sucks to be me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntermyth View Post
    i stopped caring about min - maxing at the end of mop so me and my wife will just level pretty slowly in ardenveald.

    don't even care about the possible benefits etc.
    What does it have to do with min/maxing? Most Covenant abilities are awful while some are really good for certain specs. I dont want to play 2 years gimping myself to that degree. We arent talking small amounts or "1%". Covenant abilities are important to anyone doing relevant content not just "Mysthic Raiders".

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    Aaaand it was nerfed, just as everyone predicted.
    Don't let min-maxers ruin Shadowlands for us! Rise up, fellow casuals!

  10. #170
    it was kind of too good
    because most soulbinds only have like 1 good output ability and pelagos had 2

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunslayer View Post
    What does it have to do with min/maxing? Most Covenant abilities are awful while some are really good for certain specs. I dont want to play 2 years gimping myself to that degree. We arent talking small amounts or "1%". Covenant abilities are important to anyone doing relevant content not just "Mysthic Raiders".
    hint : read the first, 24th and 26th words i wrote again.
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  12. #172
    Yes sir, i have your op kyrian covenant right here.
    I'll give you a double potency, double dps trait on top.
    Aaaaand its gone

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Nope, I will pick Kyrian at launch because they're the coolest looking, and most original Covenant! Angels rule!
    Did you just say most original...for kyrian ? Perspective man

  14. #174
    Nah. I won't let 1% DPS difference dictate my choice. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrage View Post
    Are they the most original? Literal angels in a heaven-like afterlife. Wouldn't call that very original.
    Well, original in WoW. All the other covenants have creatures we've seen like woodland creatures, more undead, vampires, etc.

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Did you just say most original...for kyrian ? Perspective man
    Not sure how they are any less original than the other 3.
    We get greco-roman angels, cheap scourge rip-off, druidic fairies, gothic vampires. They are all about as uncreative as it gets. If you try to excuse your personal preference by something like "bland" or "original" you are just deluding yourself. Just be honest with yourself and admit that you want to be an endglord tween vamp, an 8-year old's idea of what a metal cover should look like or you like fairies, no shame in that.
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  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Well, original in WoW. All the other covenants have creatures we've seen like woodland creatures, more undead, vampires, etc.
    Wow doesnt have angels and greek themes?

    Ever seen the titans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Wow doesnt have angels and greek themes?

    Ever seen the titans?
    All right, I'm biased because I grew up exposed to Greek myth and angels. There!

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Well, original in WoW. All the other covenants have creatures we've seen like woodland creatures, more undead, vampires, etc.
    I'd say fairies and vampires are more original to WoW than angels. We've had Val'kyr since WotLK and spirit healers since Classic.

    The only vampire like creatures we've seen so far are the San'layn and those pirates in Stormheim. The Night Fae look like the purple emerald dream, but I do think this is the first time they do anything with fairies or fairy like creatures.

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    I was hyped AF for kyrian because of the wings... but that changed when i saw they arent attached to your character back..it's...miserable thing that floats behind your character back...ew..

    Only thing that keeps me interested on this covenant, as hunter so far, is the resonating arrow and weapon mog

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