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  1. #241
    Imagine having a president-elect who took this opportunity to make the case for why we need $2k checks or using this as an opportunity to help Democrats in the Georgia runoffs instead of this lazy bullshit

    https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/st...63113292439557

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaymer77 View Post
    I normally don't buy Tyson because their raw meat is over priced along with Foster Farms and their nuggets & the such are not that much better than other off-brands I can get. Hell I actually prefer the dinosaur chicken nuggets for plain chicken nuggets. They're usually the cheapest ones in the store per ounce and decent tasting lol.



    OK so THIS really upsets me because after reading this article the OP posted I planned on never buying anything Tyson brand again. This is going to prove difficult because my breakfast every day is the Jimmy Dean sausage, egg, and cheese muffin since most other stuff upsets my stomach after I had my bypass. I guess I can start buying store brand ones instead but Jesus H Christ that's going to be difficult because several times since the pandemic hit all brands of those muffin sandwiches have been scarce lol
    It was pretty easy for me to avoid Tyson. The hardest thing though is chicken...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Imagine having a president-elect who took this opportunity to make the case for why we need $2k checks or using this as an opportunity to help Democrats in the Georgia runoffs instead of this lazy bullshit

    https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/st...63113292439557
    This was a speech about vaccine distribution, the explanation for why we need a stimulus was last week:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-c...timulus-check/

    Here is him campaigning in GA the week before that:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    This was a speech about vaccine distribution, the explanation for why we need a stimulus was last week:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-c...timulus-check/

    Here is him campaigning in GA the week before that:
    He should be taking every opportunity he gets to be pushing for that $2k right now, no excuses. He couldn't even be bothered to turn and face the camera to say it.

    Also his speech last week about stimulus was for the $600 checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    He should be taking every opportunity he gets to be pushing for that $2k right now, no excuses. He couldn't even be bothered to turn and face the camera to say it.
    Can you list everything he should be doing and when?
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  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Can you list everything he should be doing and when?
    I want him to be fighting for us as hard as Bernie Sanders is on the floor of the Senate right now.

    https://twitter.com/tamburlaine01/st...74643112103937

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    I want him to be fighting for us as hard as Bernie Sanders is on the floor of the Senate right now.

    https://twitter.com/tamburlaine01/st...74643112103937
    Doing what, exactly?

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The reason why he is blocking it, instead of voting it down, is to protect GA. It lets Loaffer and Perdue claim they support it, without voting on it.
    My goodness let's hope enough people are smart enough to realize this time that vote for the R's keeps the Turtle in power.

    In one of those amazing jobs of Republican projection of always campaigning say elect me to keep Pelosi or Schumer out of power. Always a tad stupid when you should be elected to legislate, but this is the Republicans we are talking about.

    So yeah, the strategy should work here and maybe it is a good strategy that more Dems should have used it their Senate runs. Pelosi and Schumer are house cats. McConnell IS dangerous to our democracy.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Doing what, exactly?
    Talking about the $2k stimulus, and tying back the Georgia runoffs to it.

    So far Biden has negotiated the stimulus down to $600, and when asked about his support for the $2k stimulus all we got from him is a "yes" and that's it.

    Wow, thanks Joe. Somehow he has the power as president-elect to negotiate some measly $600 checks for us, but as soon as there's a shot at $2k checks he's basically silent and everyone says "well he's not sworn in yet he's totally powerless guys".

    It honestly feels like he's staying quiet because he wants to be on Mitch's good side and he feels like he can work with Republicans, which is EXACTLY what he said he would do during the primaries.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday defended his calls for unity, answering criticism of his moderate approach from 2020 Democratic rivals by insisting bipartisan cooperation is the only way to avoid being governed by “wacko executive orders” from President Donald Trump.

    “I’m not talking about going back to the past. I’m talking about avoiding a terrible future if we do not figure out how to make this work,” he said during a campaign stop in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

    Biden’s predictions that Trump’s presidency will be viewed historically as an “aberration” and that the GOP will have an “epiphany” and become willing to work with Democrats once Trump leaves the Oval Office have drawn the ire of progressive activists who fear that by advocating a return to normalcy, Biden is ignoring systemic challenges that pre-date Trump.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/polit...und/index.html
    Last edited by Flower Milk; 2020-12-29 at 10:52 PM.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Talking about the $2k stimulus, and tying back the Georgia runoffs to it.
    It's already the topic dominating the news, what does him talking about it do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    So far Biden has negotiated the stimulus down to $600, and when asked about his support for the $2k stimulus all we got from him is a "yes" and that's it.
    Biden has had no involvement in the negotiations as he is a private citizen and not an elected representative. At least he remains that way until January 20.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Wow, thanks Joe. Somehow he has the power as president-elect to negotiate some measly $600 checks for us, but as soon as there's a shot at $2k checks he's basically silent and everyone says "well he's not sworn in yet he's totally powerless guys".
    You're the only person that thinks he has this power, apparently. Everyone else seems pretty clear on the powers and authority of the president-elect, which are that he doesn't actually have any of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Biden has had no involvement in the negotiations as he is a private citizen and not an elected representative. At least he remains that way until January 20.
    Inform yourself.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/u...il&login=email
    Mr. Biden on Sunday applauded the willingness of lawmakers to “reach across the aisle” and called the effort a “model for the challenging work ahead for our nation.” He was also not an idle bystander in the negotiations.

    With Republican and Democratic leaders in the House and Senate far apart on how much they were willing to accept in new pandemic spending, Mr. Biden on Dec. 2 threw his support behind the $900 billion plan being pushed by the centrist group. The total was less than half of the $2 trillion that Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York, had been insisting on.
    That was the bill with $600 checks, instead of the bill with $2k checks progressives were pushing for.

    The president-elect is just outright saying "we need to work with Republicans" and negotiating less stimulus and you're defending this shit.
    Last edited by Flower Milk; 2020-12-29 at 11:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathora44 View Post
    While his home state Kentucky is one of the worst hit economically and his constituents desperately need the help. Sadly those people are so fucking inebriated on the Republican kool-aid they will never go against Republicans even as they take the last scrap of food off their plates. Hence why they keep voting for the Russian turtle and Rand Paul over and over again.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-...130940444.html
    Granted, in KY, 600 dollars means you're well off for a while. You might even be able to get your sister Keystone Light AND Flaming Hot Cheetos on your date with that kind of money.
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  13. #253
    McConnell's play -->

    (1) Gives Trump what he asked for.

    (2) Ensures that none of it will become law. (Can't pass senate. House is done.)

    (3) Urges Trump not to let the door hit him on the way out.
    https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/sta...906034186?s=19

    Wow! This is the truth. Ha, funny that McConnell is playing Trump's stupidity by making him happy with Section 230 and voter fraud. Since Trump is a moron asking for one thing that does not have anything to do with the other.

    UNLESS....

    This is Trump's plan along, playing 10th dimensional chess. Boom!
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Inform yourself.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/u...il&login=email


    That was the bill with $600 checks, instead of the bill with $2k checks progressives were pushing for.

    The president-elect is just outright saying "we need to work with Republicans" and negotiating less stimulus and you're defending this shit.
    You're the one forcing high standards on yourself and then getting mad when the people don't act according to those standards. It's like a guy trying to pretend to be a fan of a sports team but he acts too hard at it and everyone understands he doesn't actually care, just pretending to care.
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    You see the reason why Biden isn't pushing for $2k checks is due phrasing. "COVID19 Economic Relief" is just a bad slogan that Republicans won't like very much, we just can't have that now can we? Now I know people are starving and dying but what's important is the messaging. Through
    nonconfrontational messaging and distancing ourselves from the Radical Left we can warm the hearts of the Republicans. I'm sure they will finally come around, this time. If not then surely the same tactic will work next time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    You see the reason why Biden isn't pushing for $2k checks is due phrasing. "COVID19 Economic Relief" is just a bad slogan that Republicans won't like very much, we just can't have that now can we? Now I know people are starving and dying but what's important is the messaging. Through
    nonconfrontational messaging and distancing ourselves from the Radical Left we can warm the hearts of the Republicans. I'm sure they will finally come around, this time. If not then surely the same tactic will work next time.

    And ugh fuck Mitch McConnell and those Republican ghouls, they're the worst! But Joe Biden says all the time that we need to unify and work with them and I totally agree guys, we need to restore the soul of this nation!

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    And ugh fuck Mitch McConnell and those Republican ghouls, they're the worst! But Joe Biden says all the time that we need to unify and work with them and I totally agree guys, we need to restore the soul of this nation!
    Not saying what Biden will or won't do in the future or anything like that, but I can see a good reason for his approach and rhetoric in the present. If he goes on the offensive NOW, he gives them ammunition to help drive Republican turnout even more in the special election. If he comes out like that now, he could potentially shoot himself in the foot in a way that hinders his entire administration heavily for years and gives McConnell a huge win.

    With things the way they are, he has a chance of taking the Senate from Moscow Mitch at which point they can actually push for stuff. So we can't really say for sure which way that will go. Remember this is Georgia we are talking about here, so not wanting to give the Republicans any legit ammo to include with their lies.
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  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Not saying what Biden will or won't do in the future or anything like that, but I can see a good reason for his approach and rhetoric in the present. If he goes on the offensive NOW, he gives them ammunition to help drive Republican turnout even more in the special election. If he comes out like that now, he could potentially shoot himself in the foot in a way that hinders his entire administration heavily for years and gives McConnell a huge win.

    With things the way they are, he has a chance of taking the Senate from Moscow Mitch at which point they can actually push for stuff. So we can't really say for sure which way that will go. Remember this is Georgia we are talking about here, so not wanting to give the Republicans any legit ammo to include with their lies.
    This is a pandemic and the American economy has crashed, while people are homeless, starving, and food bank lines are miles long.

    Maybe trying to fight for more relief money to help people is the way to go to win elections. Even the Republicans in Georgia have signed onto the $2k stimulus checks, Joe Biden should be spending every minute in front of a camera hammering how we need to pass them and Mitch McConnell/Republicans controlling the Senate are standing in our way.

    Instead he said "yes" he supports the $2k checks and continues to call for holding hands and singing kumbaya with Republicans. Surely this is how you win elections, by painting your opponents as just friendly colleagues who are totally fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    This is a pandemic and the American economy has crashed, while people are homeless, starving, and food bank lines are miles long.

    Maybe trying to fight for more relief money to help people is the way to go to win elections. Even the Republicans in Georgia have signed onto the $2k stimulus checks, Joe Biden should be spending every minute in front of a camera hammering how we need to pass them and Mitch McConnell/Republicans controlling the Senate are standing in our way.

    Instead he said "yes" he supports the $2k checks and continues to call for holding hands and singing kumbaya with Republicans. Surely this is how you win elections, by painting your opponents as just friendly colleagues who are totally fine.
    Which would still be meaningless and pointless - https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/29/...s-talks-checks

    It ain't happenin, sadly. Because it's not in the authority of the president-elect to do anything. McConnell controls the Senate, the best Democrats can do is the Sanders push to delay the defense veto override to force a vote on the $2K checks...but that ain't happenin since McConnell just added a poison pill that's completely unrelated that he knows Democrats won't vote for, while also attaching something Trump actually wants.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish Biden would realize that "ye olden days" of both sides working on compromises is long dead and that Republicans have exhibited no evidence that they have any desire to govern or work together in good faith. I wish he'd go hard, realizing that there isn't some secret "silent majority" of Republicans in Congress that just want to get back to normal.

    If you think he'd put any pressure on McConnell that hasn't already been put on him by business interests, constituents, lobbyists, politicians from all sides of the isle, media etc. etc. then I don't know what to tell you.

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    the best Democrats can do is the Sanders push to delay the defense veto override to force a vote on the $2K checks....
    Funny you mention that.

    https://twitter.com/kayrosef/status/1344016714187603971

    Democratic Whip Senator Durbin rejects Bernie Sander's proposal to hold up the NDAA to force the vote on a stimulus increase because of the importance of "pay raises for troops, support for Ukraine and Baltic states, and renaming military bases named after confederate leaders."
    Fuck this asshole.

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