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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    I love this argument. "Nobody is forcing you into it"

    Which shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how mythic raiding works. Or how competing for a mythic raid spot works. Of course "nobody is forcing us to raid mythic" Nobody is forcing us to play wow, or forcing us to continue breathing. It's simply the requisite step to do the next thing. It's a shit argument, because it's a non argument. Stop using it as if you have some modicum of intelligence.
    nine times out of ten you can get around getting benched for dps reasons by simply being a in demand/required spec.

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    Thread: blizzard force raiders into pvp... again...
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    why half of the post here talking about raid progress or mythic bosses... nobody cares about this shit.
    it's a conundrum.

  2. #42
    If they're not skilled enough to compete in "spammable cancer" - sucks to suck.

  3. #43
    This will probably result in guildies asking me to do arenas with them, and I will kindly decline as usual.

    As long as they dont introduce us with a Conflict & Strife and Blood of the Enemy-scenario again, Im fine.

  4. #44
    Have you tried not being bad at part of the game 4head?

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    you need to learn that pvper have same chest with same loot so why you talk about it?
    and you also need learn to read what you quote... "213 for Challenger-level PvP" is not "From what I gather, the 213 loot is only for the highest rated PvPers". Highest rated is Gladiator. Gladiators get rain of 216 every 5mins. Noob challengers get rain of 213 every 5min... world top1 m+ team get 1x210 per 5ppl per 40min...
    That's true, the chest is shared, fair enough; however, the rest of what you've said does not seem to be coherent with reality. If memory serves, Challenger is the top 35% of players, so it is the top performing players that will have access to to the heroic-level PvP items. Additionally, I'm sure that all PvP gear is being moved to vendors now, so they won't have the opportunity to simply spam games for RNG gear drops (note: current estimates for grinding PvP battleground gear is roughly 60~ or more hours for a full set at a 50% win rate, I would expect other forms of earning gear via PvP to be similar). This seems as though it is a non issue; the rewards PvPers are getting aren't extravagant for playing at the highest level in PvP and, in fact, PvPers, contrary to the thread, seem like they will be incentivized to PvE once again to obtain Mythic raid trinkets and gear pieces to be optimal.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    That's true, the chest is shared, fair enough; however, the rest of what you've said does not seem to be coherent with reality. If memory serves, Challenger is the top 35% of players, so it is the top performing players that will have access to to the heroic-level PvP items. Additionally, I'm sure that all PvP gear is being moved to vendors now, so they won't have the opportunity to simply spam games for RNG gear drops (note: current estimates for grinding PvP battleground gear is roughly 60~ or more hours for a full set at a 50% win rate, I would expect other forms of earning gear via PvP to be similar). This seems as though it is a non issue; the rewards PvPers are getting aren't extravagant for playing at the highest level in PvP and, in fact, PvPers, contrary to the thread, seem like they will be incentivized to PvE once again to obtain Mythic raid trinkets and gear pieces to be optimal.
    The only % of Top Players thing in PvP nowadays is R1. Everything else is based on rating. 1600–1799 is challenger rating. IE Low Ranker Cancer PvP. Honestly 1800 is doable for a lot of people, and if it isn't I'm sure you can buy the rank just like people buy M+ runs. We're all playing a P2W game that isn't F2P nowadays either way.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    when in game about equiping your character there is 2 ways:
    1. 216ivl every 5mins = 12x216ivl/hour
    2. 210ivl every 40min per 5ppl = 0.3x210ilvl/hour
    it's called exactly FORCED
    You understand only like 0.1% of the player base are good enough to reach 2.4k rating right? If you think you'll just jump into PvP and be 2.4k rating within a year you're terribly mistaken.
    Last edited by Ulfric Trumpcloak; 2020-11-19 at 05:32 PM.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Angrie View Post
    Whole thread is dumb.

    I don't want to pvp to pve.
    I don't want to pve to pvp.
    Sounds like both sides don't even like the game at this point.
    You are allowed to dislike pve and like pvp, and vice versa.
    There is no universal objective truth that you must like both to like the game.

    Or show it to me if I missed the memo!

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    m+15 - 210ivl
    spammable cancer pvp - 216
    spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

    nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...
    Lolololololol wow......
    Do you have any idea what you are talking about? First of all in SL pvp gear is time gated behind renown which will take 2 months to unlock and second of all pvp gear now requires massive grind of 40-60s of continuous pvp with high win rate and lastly in Legion and BfA every pvper had to raid and do mythic plus to gear up. So go cry somewhere else.

  10. #50
    Last time i did pvp was for legedary cloak in pandaria
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    m+15 - 210ivl
    spammable cancer pvp - 216
    spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

    nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...

    world of WARcraft

    it was about time

  12. #52
    Op comparing the gear from literally the top pvpers in the game, and just saying “pvers are now forced to pvp” as if any of them are going to be able to obtain this gear in the first place lol.

    You’re better off just doing mythics and doing your raids every week, you’ll get better gear faster than you’re going to be able to get that pvp gear my dude.

  13. #53
    OP I suggest you read up on pvp gearing in shadowlands before you make a thread about "cancer" and "stupid blizz".

    You are clueless. This thread is horrible.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Sfr528 View Post
    Ideally, PVP centric players should never need to step into PVE content to feel like they are on an even playing field... and the same should be true for PVE centric players.

    I really don't enjoy PVP in WOW, it's not fun for me. When I had to commit to a bunch of PVP in order to get some very powerful essences to run M+ and raids... I was miserable. It made me hate the game, want to quit, and that really isn't something Blizzard should be fostering. I'm willing to bet PVP minded folks feel the same way if they have to raid every week for a powerful trinket. It sucks, and I think Blizzard should make more of a concerted effort to stop that from happening.

    BTW, the notion that a competitive player isn't going to be forced to engage in the content they hate to get powerful trinkets is laughable. A PVP centric player will farm raids, even if it makes them miserable, to get a trinket that will improve their chances in PVP just like a PVE centric player will engage with a bunch of PVP for the same reasons.
    It’s far easier for a PvEr to feel miserable in PvP than viceversa. Human brain + skill is far more difficult to handle than a scripted artificial brain + skill.

    I don’t like nor do PvP but I bet it’s far more easy for top PvPers to handle mythic raiding than for top PvErs to handle top PvP.

  15. #55
    Thank god it isn't the other way around eh? All BFA you had grind M+15s to get gear for arenas. Now arena players can actually compete without doing M+.

    Ideally if you want to be at the absolute top level you should have to do Arenas, M+, and raids, since being it would make sense that the top level would require playing the entire game.

    But this is fine, doing a few arenas to get gear for M+ is a hell of a lot faster than grinding M+ for gear to do arenas with.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    It’s far easier for a PvEr to feel miserable in PvP than viceversa. Human brain + skill is far more difficult to handle than a scripted artificial brain + skill.

    I don’t like nor do PvP but I bet it’s far more easy for top PvPers to handle mythic raiding than for top PvErs to handle top PvP.
    The people that do any activity in the "TOP" bracket are miles ahead of the average player anyway. So after a reasonable amount of training i cant imagine any noticeable difference in performance either way.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by ymirsson View Post
    The people that do any activity in the "TOP" bracket are miles ahead of the average player anyway. So after a reasonable amount of training i cant imagine any noticeable difference in performance either way.
    I respect your opinion but I’m still convinced that as of today breaking AI as fast as possible (because that is what Method and co do, nothing more) is still easier than break human brains as fast as possible. I’m of course convinced too that top pvers with proper training will succeed in top PvP too but it will require more time than viceversa.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    I respect your opinion but I’m still convinced that as of today breaking AI as fast as possible (because that is what Method and co do, nothing more) is still easier than break human brains as fast as possible. I’m of course convinced too that top pvers with proper training will succeed in top PvP too but it will require more time than viceversa.
    Breaking AI? I don't follow.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertColvert View Post
    world of WARcraft

    it was about time
    I wish you people would stop trotting this out. The name has nothing to do with PvP and is a stretch by you to reinforce a shit aspect of the game only an extreme minority participate in. Also Warcraft hasn't been about a faction war in forever, even BFA which was supposed to bring it back merely joked around the topic.

    So let it die please.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by ztn View Post
    m+15 - 210ivl
    spammable cancer pvp - 216
    spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

    nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...
    You just need to git gud.

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