blizzard force raiders into pvp... again...

[Relapses]

pvp is like pet battles for alternative minded people... seems next step will be 235ivl in pet battles... and then they show report how everybody like petbattles...

Man. A strawman and a slippery slope logical fallacy in the same breathe. You know what? I'm not even mad. That's amazing.

[Nnyco]

As if you are able to reach 2.4k lul

[Velnora]

I wish you people would stop trotting this out. The name has nothing to do with PvP and is a stretch by you to reinforce a shit aspect of the game only an extreme minority participate in. Also Warcraft hasn't been about a faction war in forever, even BFA which was supposed to bring it back merely joked around the topic.

So let it die please.

More people pvp than they do mythic raid.

[col1kill]

1) No you do not get higher ilvl loot from just spamming PVP, the Top rated players in PVP will get 226 ilvl loot in their weekly chest,
2) pvp spammers will only be able to buy 190 ilvl if they farm conquest, at the moment it also seems that renown may be required for pvp gear as well.
3) only 1600+ rated players will have access to 213 ilvl loot in there weekly chest.
4) All this is assuming that the PVP gear even has the correct secondary stats for your Raiding spec. PVP gear is Vers heavy making it only PVE Viable for a few select specs.

Edit: fix a few typos

[MrLachyG]

why half of the post here talking about raid progress or mythic bosses... nobody cares about this shit. i care about my ilvl, my dps not because it need to kill something in raid but because i like to feel that iam top geared top dps even if i do 5ppl heroic... i feel bad when i play pve and have bad gear compared to some pvp retard.

why are you ignoring everyone who is calling you out on your obvious fake post? you have absolutely ZERO fucking clue about what you're talking about and you're just here to shitstir. BEGONE TROLL!

[munkeyinorbit]

by that logic, pvp rewards should always be higher itemlvl because more skill is needed. im ok with that

There's no skill involved in PvP. Especially in this forum. Everyone is shit compared to the person who is making the post so that should indicate PvP is faceroll. To get the top PvP rewards you only need to be average. To get the best pve rewards you need to be too 2%. It's not even close to fair. But I don't mind. Ill be happy plodding along getting my heroic raid level gear. I won't touch PvP and I won't even get close to mythic raiding.

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More people pvp than they do mythic raid.

That's not the same thing at all. You should be comparing PvP with PvE. Not all of one category and a small slice of another category.

[Itori]

If you end up with max ilvl gear from m+ and can complete that content do you really need that few extra ilvl? Is it really hurting your epeen that bad?

[GnomeEU]

m+15 - 210ivl
spammable cancer pvp - 216
spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...

Last time I checked you need 2200, 2400 rating to get any decent loot from pvp. That's like 3% of all pvplers the rest of pvplers is forced to do m15 to get any decent loot.

Please correct me if I'm wrong

[ztn]

1) No you do not get higher ilvl loot from just spamming PVP, the Top rated players in PVP will get 226 ilvl loot in their weekly chest,
2) pvp spammers will only be able to buy 190 ilvl if they farm conquest, at the moment it also seems that renown may be required for pvp gear as well.
3) only 1600+ rated players will have access to 213 ilvl loot in there weekly chest.
4) All this is assuming that the PVP gear even has the correct secondary stats for your Raiding spec. PVP gear is Vers heavy making it only PVE Viable for a few select specs.

Edit: fix a few typos

stop spreadin this bullshit... seems you have no clue how shadowlands rated pvp work...

[unfilteredJW]

More people pvp than they do mythic raid.

False equivalency ahoy.

[Baneto]

More people pvp than they do mythic raid.

And more people do heroic raiding than people do gladiator level pvp, whats your point?

[LedZeppelin]

And more people breathe air than people do gladiator level pvp, whats your point?

Wow you dont say

[Elkas]

More people pvp than they do mythic raid.

Mythic+ dominates all other content when it comes to player numbers. What's your point?

[Zenfoldor]

IF, and this is a big IF, it is more efficient to increase item level by PVPing than it is by running Mythic+, then I agree with him completely. That would ruin the game long term.

It seems clear to me that Blizzard has been trying to get people to PvP forever, and they just don't want to do it, generally. Psychologically forcing it mechanically by offering easy, better gear rewards per time spent, is like forcing someone to have fun by threatening them. It doesn't work. It won't last.

I'm not worried about it, because however much that sounds good to them, once that actually hits the game everyone figures it out, they will have to revert it, because I don't think they can afford another player revolt like in BFA. Not even worried a little, because I know that as much as I hate PVP, the average wow player hates it much more, lol. That won't fly, just watch.

Also, just change the term "force" to "manipulate" in your head and see if the meaning of some of these posts makes more sense, because usually on here I think people say force instead of manipulate, but they mean manipulate. I did it in this exact post. Nobody is "forcing" anyone to do anything, but Blizzard may try to manipulate you through reward or fomo to do something, like pvp or pve. Manipulation is usually okay by devs(when it has a good meaning behind it, like introducing new aspects of gameplay) as long as it isn't something nearly universally hated(and hate is a strong word, but I think for many, it fits for pvp).

Also, does Horde still pvp more? If so(and if this is true), this could give them a decent pve advantage over alliance. Horde is already too good vs alliance, so I don't think even unintended passive horde buffs is a good thing.

[davesignal]

m+15 - 210ivl
spammable cancer pvp - 216
spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...

You know, this same shit-- not M+, but PvE vs PvP gear-- has been happening since literally TBC.

At this point I'm starting to think the problem isn't the developers, it's the players who seem to have absolutely no pattern recognition.

[AlmightyGerkin]

m+15 - 210ivl
spammable cancer pvp - 216
spammable cancer lowrank pvp - 213

nice balance... if you like to do m+ - then go to cancer pvp to get gear for m+... why blizzard lost every single person who develop wow but this animal who force pvp to pve'rs is still alive...

In realistic view you're not forced into anything. Everything is optional. Getting gladiator optional, getting world first optional. Its all personal choice.

[mrsohta]

Man they should turn these forums into an in-game system that rewards players, the real pvp is here

[ztn]

You know, this same shit-- not M+, but PvE vs PvP gear-- has been happening since literally TBC.

At this point I'm starting to think the problem isn't the developers, it's the players who seem to have absolutely no pattern recognition.

lol - you say it to me? i create this topic every time it happens
2016 https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...into-PVP-AGAIN
2018 https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...into-pvp-again

[Calfredd]

lol - you say it to me? i create this topic every time it happens
2016 https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...into-PVP-AGAIN
2018 https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...into-pvp-again

Ah so you aren't wrong, you're three times wrong.

[Thoriangun]

You know peeps like minmaxing, especially raiders?

Sorry had to tune into this comment.

Min maxers you mean the players who actually warrant being the very best amongst the ranked tables in dps meters?

Those raiders?


Those raiders have a habit of being pvpers anyways and damn good at it, to be the best you do everything that tunes your skill, pvp helps hone that into pve as well.

Wannabes shouldn't care unless they know what and understand what it takes to actually min max and produce the goods that warrant the gear and skill.