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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkguyver2020 View Post
    I can tell you're being sarcastic. You're part of the problem if you think this isn't a real issue with our media these days.
    Does the game really need a trans character? Can't a game just be entertaining without resorting to jumping on these stupid left-wing political point scoring bandwagons? All this ends up doing is appeasing the "progressives" that continue to poison our media and brainwash idiots like yourself.
    Get woke, Go broke!
    You'd be surprised that I actually agree that pushing gender agenda in certain media is indeed an issue these days and I honestly believe that many people propagating "equality" and "diversity" are just hurting the minorities whose rights they are trying to protect.

    But this is not part of the problem. This is IMO a textbook example of how to do things right - it's diversity and inclusivity without actually shoving it in anyone's face. Pelagos is there and you can relate to him if you want to. At the same, if this topic is meaningless to you, you will not even know he's there. Which is great, IMO.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    Meh, takes 24 hours to get to 50 now. Your class being UP isn't an issue anymore. Just reroll in a day or two.
    I was referring to the need for continuity in class design over multiple expansions, not viability.
    The leveling revamp is a great addition, but most people already had multiple classes at max level and it still sucks to change your main in an RPG.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Atrieus View Post
    Literally days away from launch at this point and we already have "worst expansion ever" comments. Honestly if you go into anything wanting to dislike it chances are you most likely will.

    Personally the best option (at least for me) is to take each expansion as a clean slate and not base it on past ones. I mean there are multitudes of other games that have good/bad versions of themselves.

    I for one can't remember the last time i was this hyped for an expansion, I've not had genuine excitement since the wotlk expansion reveal. At least on a personal level, not saying cata/mop etc were bad
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    Genuinely hope it is as good as i feel it will be. We all know we are due a winner.
    I played a fair bit of beta and I think it's far more interesting and fun than BFA if that means anything.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    That said, Blizzard changing the skin color of NPCs in the game presumably to reflect "diversity" is pretty annoying to me. If my innkeeper (twarven tavern, SW) had light skin for 15 years and now is dark skinned, without being a different person, then I get mildly annoyed. Must have pretty strong UV lights in that tavern...
    Blizz could at least have made a new NPC Dark Iron Dwarf or something.

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    The fact that Shadowlands souls even have genders is pretty absurd. I mean, they can't reproduce, they have no biology, they are souls. And they are supposed to forget their mortal life. So why does Blizzard emphazise their gender at all? And why is Pelagos the only character with identity issues? There should be either tons of them or none.
    ....man these arguments show how dumb and so triggered some people can be lol you know what you can do? just not give a f*** and move on with your day as its literally NOT a big deal and doesnt matter at all

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    ....man these arguments show how dumb and so triggered some people can be lol you know what you can do? just not give a f*** and move on with your day as its literally NOT a big deal and doesnt matter at all
    Sorry for being invested in a cohesive senseful RPG world. For some people WoW is not just about showing your epeen on DPS meters.
    Remember red shirt guy? Complained about a very minor detail yet became famous for it. But I guess that was a time when people still cared about lore and immersion.

    If it's fine for you, fine. I like WoW more if the world keeps following it's self imposed rules and new lore is introduced in a way that makes sense in context.
    " Just don't give a fuck" is an argument used by stupid people that don't know how to argue.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    Sorry for being invested in a cohesive senseful RPG world. For some people WoW is not just about showing your epeen on DPS meters.
    Remember red shirt guy? Complained about a very minor detail yet became famous for it. But I guess that was a time when people still cared about lore and immersion.

    If it's fine for you, fine. I like WoW more if the world keeps following it's self imposed rules and new lore is introduced in a way that makes sense in context.
    " Just don't give a fuck" is an argument used by stupid people that don't know how to argue.
    ......you cannot compare having more character customization and adding ONE supposedly trans character and red shirt guy fixing lore detail lol dont even say that shit in the same sentence. i love lore in wow and im very invested into it. I could give two shi*** about these changes, they dont ruin anything at all about the game. if those things bother you, you should probably have a look at yourself and wonder why these small trivial things bother you so much

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    ''Hight says that while Classic was far more popular than anyone at Blizzard expected, they also have found that one version of World of Warcraft is not cannibalizing the other -- rather, there's not much of overlap at all between people swapping between the two, and both communities are healthy enough he feels comfortable releasing major content updates (such as upcoming raids) in both games around the same time.''

    Now this is something that needs to be rammed through peoples head, it might ease the whole rivalry thing.
    That's really to be expected and should have been relatively obvious from the beginning though I agree it might help with those either butt hurt about Classic or Retail stay in their own corners and not continually hassle the other side.

    And as far as the effort required by Blizzard to maintain Classic (and possibly a future TBC Classic) taking resources away from Retail that's a red herring as well. The Classic team, especially post launch, is a very small group no different probably from some of the sub-groups in Retail like the Pet Battle team. Pet Battles aren't for everyone yet limited resources that don't otherwise affect development of Retail are still being utilized. Classic, from a resource point of view, is akin to the effort required for Pet Battles.

    The most telling aspect of the comment is that the 2 communities don't overlap (play both versions of the game). Without taking a side and saying which is better is does prove the basic assertion that the gameplay and systems in Retail are so far removed, for better or worse, from Classic that they are actually two completely different games that appeal to completely different types of gamers. Retail and Classic actually share very little in common in regards to game play.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodykiller86 View Post
    ......you cannot compare having more character customization and adding ONE supposedly trans character and red shirt guy fixing lore detail lol dont even say that shit in the same sentence. i love lore in wow and im very invested into it. I could give two shi*** about these changes, they dont ruin anything at all about the game. if those things bother you, you should probably have a look at yourself and wonder why these small trivial things bother you so much
    Did you even read what I wrote? Like honestly, did you just skim my text for your trigger words and write an answer?
    I have no problem with customization. Sure, black dwarves really make no sense, since dwarves live in cold climates or inside mountains. But did I complain about that? No. It's amazing to get more customization for the player characters.
    What's not amazing is that existing characters inside the game get changed for no reason. Sure, how about making Anduins skin red? Why not? It's just customization, why should we care? No. It's nonsense to do so. And this extends to lesser NPCs too. If you want more diverse city population, then don't take existing characters and change their skin color; replace them with (or even better: add) new characters!

    And did I complain about Pelagos? Nope. I even complained why there's only one character with that kind of struggle. I complained, that human prejudice and role images are even a thing in the afterlive. Kyrians are all about letting go of the past and embracing a new purpose, yet somehow their mortal gender seems to still be a thing and even a problem. Honestly, does that make sense to you? And if so, how? And why does only ONE Kyrian out of many thousands and billions of souls in the Shadowlands have issues with that? In a world, were gender based roles don't matter anymore, where biology is not a thing? There should be many like Pelagos (maybe in different stages of conflict or with solutions to it) or none. But not just one.

    Also did I say ruin? Quote me on that. I said "mildly annoyed". The only one with strong feelings here is you; the one not bringing forth a single argument but instead only throwing insults.
    Last edited by LordVargK; 2020-11-23 at 10:36 PM.

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