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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    9.2 could definitely be the last patch, with the Pantheon of Life, Reality being attacked by Zovaal, us maybe going to the Moon for a bit or the Gardens of Life (Probably both ngl) to meet up with Elune and have them reunite against Zovaal, etc. They could just rush it like they did 9.1, with so much going on that patch lore-wise.

    9.1 imo should come out Late June. We're still mid-way through May, and shit seems to be going on just nicely. June 1st can be TBC's release date, then like 2 weeks later have 9.1 release.

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    And your point is kinda moot. They probably just did that because people wanted a Yrel Avatar PFP?
    We have 8 bosses for mythic raid testing still which overall they are doing 2 per week so 4 more weeks if they keep the pace then the week for inner work

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Lothraxion being among the last remaining Dreadlords and manipulating Turalyon to control SW and forge a new Alliance would be so fucking badass. Would also mark why Dreadlords are incredibly dangerous from an in-game perspective.

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    N'Zoth is dead, Azshara is freed from his grasp, Kul'tiras finally has a stable leadership and is free of corruption, and Zandalar's rid of the Blood Troll threat, G'huun, as well as most of the protesters within the area. Did you just not play BFA?

    That's like saying none of the MoP zones changed or shit like that. They clearly did bro.
    Lothraxion is not manipulating anyone
    In terms of what he’s doing he was discovered and then “cleansed” which led to the light attacking revendreth

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    We have 8 bosses for mythic raid testing still which overall they are doing 2 per week so 4 more weeks if they keep the pace then the week for inner work
    AND a megadungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Lothraxion is not manipulating anyone
    In terms of what he’s doing he was discovered and then “cleansed” which led to the light attacking revendreth
    We don't have confirmation either way. I'd love it if he was actually loyal to Denathrius, it'd really add weight to making the threat serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    We have 8 bosses for mythic raid testing still which overall they are doing 2 per week so 4 more weeks if they keep the pace then the week for inner work

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    Lothraxion is not manipulating anyone
    In terms of what he’s doing he was discovered and then “cleansed” which led to the light attacking revendreth
    Lothraxion being cleansed is difficult to ascertain. The dreadlord book specifically states that the most surefire way to infiltrate a light based organization would be to convince them they have succeeded in converting someone as they are too self-rigghteous to assume anything else. So it is in fact quite likely that Lothraxion faked being discovered so he could gain absolute trust by being "converted".
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  5. #2485
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    AND a megadungeon.
    It’s open right now and they aren’t going to close it

    There’s still more korthia stuff to add
    They haven’t finished the legendaries
    Campaigns to finish
    Honestly I’m fine with late June because I have an alt to prepare lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    We don't have confirmation either way. I'd love it if he was actually loyal to Denathrius, it'd really add weight to making the threat serious.
    That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.
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  7. #2487
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.
    If that is your baseline then the Dreadlords are useless either way.

    They were supposed to be the Legion infiltration specialists, and for the most part they were succesful except for Lothraxion. But with the reveal in SL there is a deeper layer of infiltration, and if the only true Light infiltrator failed despite them knowing exactly what is needed to succeed then it just kinda deflates theiir importance.

    I wouldnt mind if the Light infiltration thing was specifically mentioned to be a failure, but from the way they mention it it sounds like they succeeded in having Lothraxion infiltrate the Light by faking a conversion. So going back on that would in a way be retconning his character twice in a single expansion.
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  8. #2488
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    We don't have confirmation either way. I'd love it if he was actually loyal to Denathrius, it'd really add weight to making the threat serious.
    We do though
    The quest revealing the dreadlords reveals the motive behind the light’s attack and shows that since he’s been discovered he’s under the same mind control as the rest

  9. #2489
    The timeline doesn't add up.

    Lothraxion was a member of the Legion previously. The Nathrezim were exiled after the Light attacked Revendreth. None of them had joined the Legion at that time, they only did so after being exiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    We do though
    The quest revealing the dreadlords reveals the motive behind the light’s attack and shows that since he’s been discovered he’s under the same mind control as the rest
    I mean, that is the part where it's difficult to figure out exactly how it all went down.

    It is perfectly possible that the Dreadlords realized that the only way to truly end up in the inner circle of the Army of Light was to get captured while sloppily infiltrating, then fake being converted so the Light think they did one over on them.

    It's not exactly easily understandable, but it does make sense with how the Dreadlords operate, and more specifically how they said they intended to infiltrate the Light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    That would be bullshit. Would just mean derplords are all one dimensional agents faithful only to one party. Him going against all the others makes it more nuanced. Or just shows Light can brainwash anything.
    I think making a character we knew from previous expansions who we thought was on our side, secretly be apart of this grand conspiracy, is pretty good. I enjoy this new Dreadlord plot in general, but I haven't seen enough to know if I like it more than the old lore yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    I think making a character we knew from previous expansions who we thought was on our side, secretly be apart of this grand conspiracy, is pretty good. I enjoy this new Dreadlord plot in general, but I haven't seen enough to know if I like it more than the old lore yet.
    Well, not if said character is a member of a race that is well know for doing shit like that:
    - Dreadlords are a core members of BL, oh wait no, they are allied with Danny
    - Renethal is trying to sway derplords to his side since they were exiled, oh wait no, their exile was "just as planned"
    - there is LF Dreadlord, we did it Reddit! Oh wait no, he was a quadruple agent!

    At that point you would see them and instantly knew who they are allied with.
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  13. #2493
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    "BUT THE BLADE HURR!"

    People do realize that, even if the blade survived, only his presence would be within the blade, yes? We clearly see his physical form + Ny'alotha blow tf up at the end of BFA.

    "BUT IT WAS A VISION"

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  14. #2494
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The timeline doesn't add up.

    Lothraxion was a member of the Legion previously. The Nathrezim were exiled after the Light attacked Revendreth. None of them had joined the Legion at that time, they only did so after being exiled.
    Did you just forget the fact they were never exiled to begin with?

  15. #2495
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Did you just forget the fact they were never exiled to begin with?
    Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

    Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

    Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?
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  16. #2496
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

    Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

    Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?
    According to the ptr stuff on the front page
    The dreadlords were infiltrating all other forces
    The light attacked
    They were exiled

    This timeline is...fine

  17. #2497
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    According to the ptr stuff on the front page
    The dreadlords were infiltrating all other forces
    The light attacked
    They were exiled

    This timeline is...fine
    The issue is, Lothraxion was a member of the Legion when he was turned. And that happened long after they were exiled.

    Perhaps he was present at the incursion into the Light, but if he was, that wasn't where he was taken.

    edit: Again, this is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post

    Lothraxion is not manipulating anyone
    In terms of what he’s doing he was discovered and then “cleansed” which led to the light attacking revendreth
    You're saying he was caught by the Light, cleansed, and the Light retaliated against Revendreth.

    But Lothraxion was caught by the Light as a member of the Burning Legion, and relatively recently too. They would've retaliated against the Legion (which they were already doing via the Army of the Light anyway).
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  18. #2498
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The issue is, Lothraxion was a member of the Legion when he was turned. And that happened long after they were exiled.

    Perhaps he was present at the incursion into the Light, but if he was, that wasn't where he was taken.
    Or they believed that he was an agent of the legion and then attacked revendreth and denathrius was like “yo I didn’t know what was happening I’m gonna exile them”
    While already having his agents out and about

    It’s also possible it’s a slight retcon because we have 0 information about an actual timeline until they provide another book talking about it

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    Until we get some direct proof there is really no way to conclusively state where most of the Dreadlord stuff happened in the timeline.

    Could be that Denathrius sent them out to infiltrate the light specifically, failed, then sent them to Nathreza to join the Void and Fel.
    Or it could just as easily be that due to the relativistic flow of time in the Shadowlands compared to the regular universe or even the Twisting nether that the entire thing of the Dreadlords creating the Burning Legion with Sargeras, then attempting to infiltrate the Army of Light all happened before they were exiled. It's not like the Revendreth war against the light is ever claimed to be something that happened at the beginning of time.

    Regardless, regarding Lothraxion whether the incursion of the light happened before or after his supposed conversion into a Lightforged is mostly irrelevant anyways. His supposed plan depended on an attempt at lightforging him, so at worst the Light succesfully converted him despite his plans to resist or he went through with the plan. When it happened in the timeline is almost completely irrelevant.
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  20. #2500
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Their exiling was certainly part of Denathrius' tricks, but they were still effectively exiled, or did you just forget that they weren't really in Revendreth (barring any spies in disguise) until recently?

    Denathrius "exiled" them to a world outside the Shadowlands, in other words, Nathreza, and they were eventually found out there and then recruited into the Legion.

    Like I said, the timeline people are trying to put forward, that Lothraxion was part of the initial incursion, doesn't really fit. Unless you can show me something that says otherwise?
    Mal'ganis explicitly states they were never "exiled" lol

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