In the Cinematic, Denathrius said "there is another way". Maybe Denathrius convinced the Jailer to reach Zereth Mortis? Maybe the Jailer's original plan was different?
WHY HE IS CALLED THE JAILER?
Why Sylvanas said the world is a prison????
In the Cinematic, Denathrius said "there is another way". Maybe Denathrius convinced the Jailer to reach Zereth Mortis? Maybe the Jailer's original plan was different?
WHY HE IS CALLED THE JAILER?
Why Sylvanas said the world is a prison????
Last edited by KainneAbsolute; 2022-03-08 at 10:11 PM.
I think you’re right, but the question then is, why did they want to get rid of an arch villain that’s been slowly build up over a decade and replace him with an Amazon Basics version of a villain that has zero real back story, zero real build up and was then finished within two content patches, leaving no lasting impression on WoW or the lore?
There must have been a mental disconnect for Blizzard‘s writing team when they came up with this story and deemed it good? Or how can this happen?
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Because History is Written by the Victors.
That's one of Shadowlands' overarching narratives.
The Primus is "The Jailer" of Zovaal, and so history records this dark deed in the Primus' favor. He ultimately got what he deserves when he was captured and dominated himself.
The real 'villain' of this expack is whoever Ordered the Shadowlands. 'The First Ones.' Whoever created, or decided harnessing Domination magic was a good idea, creating shifty characters like Denathrius and The Primus? That's your villain.
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My guess would be that they wanted to do the whole Shadowlands thing, but didn't just want to set it on Azeroth or generally have lower stakes. They wanted full-on cosmic warfare on the scale of Argus. And since making a brand new villain from scratch is almost impossible if you want it to be important they just went for the "puppet master" archetype.
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I can appreciate none of sylvanus in this cinematic, but holy shit it was still bad.
If wow Thanos had those reasons why along, they could have you know, explained and worked that out across the expansion, so we actually knew him and had reasons to fight him, instead of big bad evil guy doing big bad evil stuff. It make no sense to hold until the very end of the straw to reveal this, now nobody fucking cares, is pointless. They making him a sargeras 2.0(He was trying to do the right thing, by the wrong means ) didn't help either.
But what pisses me of the most is their way of storytelling based around the clifhangers, trying to build hype or i dunno what the fuck they want, such amateur level of writing, it was the same thing before with sylvanus saying "he cant reach the...." and fades out, and now, the fucker drops "for what is to come" and thats it.
That is the most logical endpoint as far as I can see. You can't reuse Arthas since that would be nonsensical. Old Gods would work, but would likely be too similar to N'zoth.
Really Blizzards mistake with the Jailer was making him an actual character. Make him more conceptual and less an actual character and the story might have functioned slightly better.
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I know something like that would never happen, but boy... i would really love if 10.0 was "Yeah mate after Sargeras/Argus fight you went into coma for 5 years"
I would describe it as spectacle oriented. The important part is making something cool and epic, not something good.
Making something that looks cool is easy, making something that is cool and well written is difficult. It's the problem that has been plagueing mainstream writing lately with the Star Wars sequels and the final season of GoT.
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Maybe Zovaal was the warden of something. Maybe there is something in the Maw that should not come in contact with Azeroth. At the same time, Azeroth is trapped in the physical universe.
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At this rate, it seems that:
- Sargeras is in prison.
- Azshara is missing in action.
- Nzoth and the other old god are destroyed?
- I guess that Zovaal can be turned on again hahah
I think we are going to ally with all the villains in the future to face the true enemy.
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I have to wonder how the reaction would be if instead, it was Sargeras who employs the Nathrezim and leads Zovaal astray, creating the Jailer.
It would make Shadowlands even more of a logical continuation after Legion, with Sargeras' final words being "No!" to us after being told his Crusade was over.
Zovaal could have been a final measure on his part. A hail mary he knew would persist even if somehow he was defeated or the Void was winning.
Part of me is still thinking this has to be the reality. There's just no way to me that The Titans were so oblivious to what Souls are, where they come from and where they go, when their whole thing is waking World Souls.
Aman'thul had mastery over Time. So surely they would have been able to see into the future and know of Zovaal's plans at the very least?
But that's way too much hope.
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Why would they know anything about it? "world souls" is just the name, it's not like they have some special insight into souls in general. Their whole thing is finding titan eggs and terraforming planets to their own liking.
The titans weren't even aware the Void was hanging out trying to break into their reality to consume everything by creating a void titan, why would they know all about the death end of the cosmic forces?