"I'm so good, i serve the chain guy that wants to dominate the universe! So i went ahead and started a world war, committed genocide, and helped an Old God that was like 5 seconds away from corrupting the very being that was needed by the chain guy to enact his plan in the first place.
Thousands of people are dead because of me, and all of them got sent to the cosmic torture chamber just to further my own goals!
But all is good, afte all i got sad that one time!
I just wanted FREE WILL! (... by forcing everyone to obey me)."
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dude even shadowlands destroys this
lets ignore the original motivation we were sold for the genocide
she gets rid of the lich king who held the scourge in check
she teams up with a dude who says "im going to dominate the universe and take your world" but oh wait thats ok because "existence is broken and we dont have free will"
she does the same thing Arthas did to her but used the justification of "its too late"
she straight up tortures people
but it was for the greater good....was it??
she was all for the jailer and his plan until he triggered her with saying the word "serve" just like her trigger of "hope"
the guy wasnt deceptive or manipulative
the guy was straight up with everything and she was ready to sacrifice everyone who followed her but oh yeah greater good over here
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but she was manipulated by the jailer because how was she supposed to know the guy taht was telling her he would enslave the universe was going to actually do it
youre right
i forgot he didnt actually say it and all of his actions could have been interpreted as not that...you know the only way to get free will is to take it away and obviously the jailer who made Anduin Arthas 2.0 via Sylvanas was totally the good guy
also i will never watch a video from that soppy bollocks especially when all i need to do is look at the titles to know that its algorithm bait
Basically the only way you can interpret Sylvanas at this point is ridiculously incompetently stupid heroic, or over the top evil and just plain boring.
but dude
listen he told her he could help her not die right
and she just had to work with all the baddies that we have seen recently like helya who was totally a good guy in legion
we cant blame her for helping the jailer out because she was sad and people kept triggering her so she had to
start a war
free an old god
let thousands die
kill her own people
abandon her own people
enslave Anduin
because she truly believed that this dude who tortured souls for a living was just the most upstanding guy
"Whaaa???? The evil-looking bald dude with BDSM chains and an evil-sounding voice wants to dominate the Universe??? No way dude, how could I have known!"
- Sylvanas, probably
Though as the Horde goes, that's par for the course. The only thing the Horde can do is regularly get manipulated by an evil power because they're too dumb and stupid to realize that the evil power doesn't actually care about them. And as usual it falls to the Alliance to fix their mistakes (Anduin giving Sylvanas the therapy session she desperately needed, for example). I just described to you the lore of Warcraft since WC1
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Why shouldn't Sylvanas have trusted the guy who (basically) made Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination... just looking at the Jailer you know he's a nice and dependable guy. Honestly I was shocked by the "serve" line in the cinematic, I really thought he was a good guy... then I was proven right in the end cinematic, he was really a good guy...
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My question with the whole Sylvanas / Jailer meeting is how did he circumvent the Arbiter in the first place?
Or was it just an illusion because he had part of her soul?
Or was she really destined for the Maw because the Arbiter knew what she would do. In which case, why didn't the Arbiter try to warn anyone what Zovaal was doing?
What they should have done is made it so that everyone made undead by the jailor's power (ie, the scourge) instantly went to the Maw because they were considered a minion of zovaal and thus a threat to the Shadowlands (which is what the maw is supposed to contain).
This would explain why everyone whose seen the shadowlands before the expansion saw the maw pretty much. This would also give the Forsaken extra impotus to not want to just pass away now that they have their revenge.
The only problem is this robs us of the 'uther tossing arthas into the maw' storyline.
I don't think the Arbiter sees what souls will do in the future once they reach their destination. So it could be that she was destined for the Maw.
It also could be as you said that he could connect with part of her soul since he had it in a domination piece.
Tbh this isn't really a plot problem since there are many ways it could happen. And we also don't really know how talkative the Arbiter replacement was or did it just have the task to filter souls and sometimes say something prerecorded about the Purpose.
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Sylvanas went to the Maw thanks to the Jailer having her Soulshard in his posession.
Her being "destined for the Maw" is laughable when Rev has souls in it that make Sylvanas look like a saint.
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