1. #3281
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Because death still has a meaning there. In WoW it doesn't. The Shadowlands are a happy place for afterlive, Hades & Co. aren't.
    The Greek underworld has the Elysian Fields (though it originally was separate, but it still was an afterlife). Norse myth (another place where heroes and gods visit their respective underworld) has things like Valhalla.

    There are plenty of "happy" afterlives in myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post

    I also find it funny how guys like Bellular talk shit about 9.1 when I know damn well they have not done the PTR yet.
    Doesn't he not even play anymore? that's what I keep hearing, anyway.

  2. #3282
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Besides The Maw none of the zones are intimidating or correctly representing the finality of death. It just feels exactly like another life and not like death. The Shadowlands are very similar to the representation of afterlife like it's been done in the TV show "The Good Place". I'd rather have something dark and sinister and dreadful though.
    I mean...if you played SL, you'd learn that it's exactly like that. It's an afterlife. Death's simply a beginning to a new eternity.

  3. #3283
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    The Shadowlands most definitely aren't a happy place.
    I mean, they are happy enough from what we are seeing.

    Two out of five we know is hell and purgatory. And in the case of Revendreth those who are not being punished are souls who are seemingly happy with their jobs being vampires and all.
    Two are afterlives for the dutiful. Maldraxxus is not necessarily happy but those who are sent there also seem to love battle, and Bastion might be work, but it also seems relaxing.
    Ardwnweald are filled with souls who are either being catered to while they sleep or genuinely love nature and tending to it.

    The maw is the only genuinely unpleasant afterlife, and the rest seems happy enough when we remember they are currently in an extraordinary drought and internal conflict.
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  4. #3284
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
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    Dude it's like quoting The Sun as source of info. Bellurar is a joke.


    But sadly even more reasonable people say stupid shit. I saw in recent Preach video where he complained that... flying require 40 Renown. And SL are not alt friendly, cause he's bored playing his 12 alts.

    Yeah, listening to high-end raiders wasn't best choice after BfA. No titanforging and progression outside hard content made lot of casuals quit - and raiders are STILL not happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    How so?

    The Afterlife and adventures in it is a tale as old as humanity. Countless mythologies have heroes go to their respective underworlds/afterlife for one reason or another (Greek with Orpheus and Heracles, Japanese with Izanagi, Mesopotamian with Enkidu, Osiris in Egyptian myth, Dante in the Divine Comedy, etc). Doesn't make death meaningless in those tales.
    Good point. Maybe not exactly afterlife, but changing rules in middle of story is source of problem.
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  5. #3285
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I mean, they are happy enough from what we are seeing.

    Two out of five we know is hell and purgatory. And in the case of Revendreth those who are not being punished are souls who are seemingly happy with their jobs being vampires and all.
    Two are afterlives for the dutiful. Maldraxxus is not necessarily happy but those who are sent there also seem to love battle, and Bastion might be work, but it also seems relaxing.
    Ardwnweald are filled with souls who are either being catered to while they sleep or genuinely love nature and tending to it.

    The maw is the only genuinely unpleasant afterlife, and the rest seems happy enough when we remember they are currently in an extraordinary drought and internal conflict.
    Bastion is full of bias and "duty" and shit like that, and we literally have a questline focused on reshaping what Bastion is as a whole because of its BS. Ardenweald's prolly the only good "realm", and their queen is a depressed bitch that thinks her sister from the Pantheon of Life (Potentially) dipped on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Dude it's like quoting The Sun as source of info. Bellurar is a joke.


    But sadly even more reasonable people say stupid shit. I saw in recent Preach video where he complained that... flying require 40 Renown. And SL are not alt friendly, cause he's bored playing his 12 alts.

    Yeah, listening to high-end raiders wasn't best choice after BfA. No titanforging and progression outside hard content made lot of casuals quit - and raiders STILL are not happy.
    "WHY DOES FLYING REQUIRE RENOWN 40"

    If you aren't renown 40 now, there's something wrong with you. Blizzard has added so many catch-up things, and they're adding even more in 9.1. Like, what the fuck...

    Also, holy shit...Flying at worst requires you to wait till week 2 of the patch. Like, how's that bad?

    "And SL are not alt friendly, cause he's bored playing his 12 alts."

    9.1 IS THE BEST CATCH UP PATCH IN WOW HISTORY! THE FUCK???

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    Also "I WANT SOMETHING DARK AND DREADFUL" is the worst argument I've heard of in a long time regarding SL...

    Maldraxxus, the Forsworn in Bastion, Revendreth, and the Maw are dark asf. What the hell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    About SL, whole concept of afterlife ruins every story, cause death of character become meaningless. But WoW has already time travel/alternate universe, so you know, who cares.
    The concept of the afterlife is as old as humanity.
    'What happens after death' is one of the oldest, if not THE oldest trope in history.

    The reason why wows take on it sucks is because of Blizzards inability to care, stay coherent and produce meaningful stories.
    Instead we get an underwhelming mess that's riddled with plotholes and dialogue that rivals an edgy middle schoolers fanfiction in quality.

    Not because the concept sucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Oh look, Bellular made the 90th WoW shittalk vid this week...*Yawns*
    For a person that you don't like, you sure love to talk and advertise his videos a lot.

    Maybe... idk, don't give him free views?

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  7. #3287
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The concept of the afterlife is as old as humanity.
    'What happens after death' is one of the oldest, if not THE oldest trope in history.

    The reason why wows take on it sucks is because of Blizzards inability to care, stay coherent and produce meaningful stories.
    Instead we get an underwhelming mess that's riddled with plotholes and dialogue that rivals an edgy middle schoolers fanfiction in quality.

    Not because the concept sucks.



    For a person that you don't like, you sure love to talk and advertise his videos a lot.

    Maybe... idk, don't give him free views?
    I didn't even click on it. I just right clicked the video and pressed on "Copy video link"



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    Also, what's full of plotholes and shit regarding SL? I'd love to know.

  8. #3288
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The concept of the afterlife is as old as humanity.
    'What happens after death' is one of the oldest, if not THE oldest trope in history.

    The reason why wows take on it sucks is because of Blizzards inability to care, stay coherent and produce meaningful stories.
    Instead we get an underwhelming mess that's riddled with plotholes and dialogue that rivals an edgy middle schoolers fanfiction in quality.

    Not because the concept sucks.
    'What happens after dead' is oldest trope. But it is a mystery, even in mythos we just get a glimpse. I would say it's even archetype of mystery, which also makes life itself more interesting.

    It's like death of Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks - before we knew who's killer show was amazing, after that went to shit instantly (until Lynch came back and introduced new mystery).

    In SL we go to afterlife and explore whole thing like Disneyland, including politics going on there. And I'm not sure we should call it afterlife, since you can have "true death" here. They went full Dragon Ball with main WoW plot. Maybe they didn't even had much choice, draging story for so long isn't natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I didn't even click on it. I just right clicked the video and pressed on "Copy video link"

    .... Yes, you linked a video on another site for more people to see.
    Granting the creator, that you ah so much dislike, more attention, views and therefore money.

    Or in other words 'free advertisement'.

    Whether you personally watched it means absolutely nothing.

    Also, what's full of plotholes and shit regarding SL? I'd love to know.
    The inescapable Maw that everyone can escape from provided they can fly?
    The Soulstream in Oribos relies on the Kyrian to fuel it, but at the same time doesn't which renders their existence meaningless?
    Sylvanas and her 10D chess persona in its entirety?
    How AU souls are handled?
    Us talking to souls on Azeroth that hold their former personality yet have been fundamentally changed since their deaths?

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  10. #3290
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I mean...if you played SL, you'd learn that it's exactly like that. It's an afterlife. Death's simply a beginning to a new eternity.
    I played Shadowlands and read every quest (as I do that once every time I play a new expansion). It's still not like the gruesome afterlife I'd expect. If we leave the ongoing brainwashing aside, Bastion and Ardenweald are happy places. In Maldraxxus the people do what they always did and like it. The only zone with some consequences is... Revendreth.
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  11. #3291
    Bellular living rent-free in the minds of WoW addicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ok, Varian's compass datamined on PTR, and we will interact with it. So I guess we know now how we will help Anduin kick the baldie out of him.

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/anduins...9-1-ptr-322761
    Hopefully not in 9.1 That would be a massive copout even by Blizzard's standards.

  13. #3293
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Bellular living rent-free in the minds of WoW addicts.
    When his videos are in your recommendations every time you go on YouTube, you're bound to get annoyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Bellular living rent-free in the minds of WoW addicts.
    They love to talk about how much they hate him and how much they don't care about him. Yet they talk.

  15. #3295
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    .... Yes, you linked a video on another site for more people to see.
    Granting the creator, that you ah so much dislike, more attention, views and therefore money.

    Or in other words 'free advertisement'.

    Whether you personally watched it means absolutely nothing.



    The inescapable Maw that everyone can escape from provided they can fly?
    The Soulstream in Oribos relies on the Kyrian to fuel it, but at the same time doesn't which renders their existence meaningless?
    Sylvanas and her 10D chess persona in its entirety?
    How AU souls are handled?
    Us talking to souls on Azeroth that hold their former personality yet have been fundamentally changed since their deaths?
    Then it's up to you to watch it.

    "The inescapable Maw that everyone can escape from provided they can fly?" Flying doesn't mean they can escape the Maw. No proof of that whatsoever.

    "The Soulstream in Oribos relies on the Kyrian to fuel it, but at the same time doesn't which renders their existence meaningless?" What? The Kyrian ferry souls to the Shadowlands, which helps the Soulstream, yes. Anima itself is the fuel, however. The issue here is that the Soulstream is not only fucked over cause of the Arbiter's coma, but it's also getting fucked over cause of Denathrius keeping Anima to himself, as well as the stream only giving souls to the Maw, which causes the other zones to go through a drought, which also means less Anima fuel for Oribos to keep the Soulstream going.

    "Sylvanas and her 10D chess persona in its entirety?" The Jailer's lying to her and telling her what to do. Simple.

    "How AU souls are handled?" This has been explained already.

    "Us talking to souls on Azeroth that hold their former personality yet have been fundamentally changed since their deaths?" Like who? Cause if you mean Uther, then that's cause SL Uther was incomplete, while Light Uther didn't have a shard of him kept in Torghast lol

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    Actually, Light Uther is still incomplete tbh. SL Uther is just damaged, however.

  16. #3296
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post



    Oh look, Bellular made the 90th WoW shittalk vid this week...*Yawns*

    I don't get what "issues" there are outside of Torghast being complete dogshit and Conduits being at most annoying. The game itself is pretty on the nose, this expac.

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    At worst, I'd say SL is boring asf. But that's it. I'm loving 9.1 so far.

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    I also find it funny how guys like Bellular talk shit about 9.1 when I know damn well they have not done the PTR yet.
    He needs money for his "Totally great" game he's making. Hell he even made two videos a week apart where essentially his problem was the game was "Too hard." and then at the same time "Too easy." guy needs to pick a lane.

  17. #3297
    Stop Anduin dead?

  18. #3298
    Quote Originally Posted by Cherry123 View Post
    Stop Anduin dead?
    What? No...

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    I get the fuckin Bellular shit, people. All I said was that Bellular is talking shit about WoW, when he likely doesn't know wtf he's talking about half the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    He needs money for his "Totally great" game he's making. Hell he even made two videos a week apart where essentially his problem was the game was "Too hard." and then at the same time "Too easy." guy needs to pick a lane.
    Yeah, I just said he's wrong. Don't get onto this weird ass train right here.

    I regret ever linking the video here to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    What? No...

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    I get the fuckin Bellular shit, people. All I said was that Bellular is talking shit about WoW, when he likely doesn't know wtf he's talking about half the time.
    And yet you still spread his vids and give him potential add revenue by posting links. If you are annoyed by him appearing in recommendations, go click that three dots right of vid title and select "Don't recommend channel".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And yet you still spread his vids and give him potential add revenue by posting links. If you are annoyed by him appearing in recommendations, go click that three dots right of vid title and select "Don't recommend channel".
    Yeah, I did it just once, but good to know.

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