1. #3381
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Do you seriously think Zovaal can be "talked down"????

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    1. Doesn't matter.

    2. All the Jailer has to do is Mawsworn him. Bam, instant raid boss.

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    Ever wanted to take down a Madness of Deathwing lvl threat without the need of the Aspects and Dragon Soul? Here's your chance.
    I mean we might be screwed if he came back and we didn’t have something that could surpass the power of the old aspects

    If only we had a titan somewhere that could empower a new set of aspects…maybe a titan close by…possibly with a speaker.

    But then we would need 5 candidates
    I mean we haven’t seen 5 members of the different flights in the same place since Cata right??

    I mean if only they also had a place where you could justify a dragon centric story. Maybe a place with many dragons and maybe the land could be some kind of island or group of islands

  2. #3382
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    I mean we might be screwed if he came back and we didn’t have something that could surpass the power of the old aspects

    If only we had a titan somewhere that could empower a new set of aspects…maybe a titan close by…possibly with a speaker.

    But then we would need 5 candidates
    I mean we haven’t seen 5 members of the different flights in the same place since Cata right??

    I mean if only they also had a place where you could justify a dragon centric story. Maybe a place with many dragons and maybe the land could be some kind of island or group of islands
    New Dragon Aspect protectors would ruin the point of what Cata's message was. The hell?

  3. #3383
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    New Dragon Aspect protectors would ruin the point of what Cata's message was. The hell?
    werent the old aspects empowered by the pantheon

    but if azeroth empowered the new aspects then our planet wouldnt be relying on outside powers anymore

  4. #3384
    Quote Originally Posted by Sum if Fun1 View Post
    werent the old aspects empowered by the pantheon

    but if azeroth empowered the new aspects then our planet wouldnt be relying on outside powers anymore
    They were empowered by the Titans through the Keepers, yes.

    And no. For the second time now, Cata’s message was made clear on why we don’t need Aspects anymore.

    “Age of Mortals” my man.

  5. #3385
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    They were empowered by the Titans through the Keepers, yes.

    And no. For the second time now, Cata’s message was made clear on why we don’t need Aspects anymore.

    “Age of Mortals” my man.
    yeah but it seems mortal havent been dealing with any threats recently

  6. #3386
    Quote Originally Posted by Sum if Fun1 View Post
    yeah but it seems mortal havent been dealing with any threats recently
    Y'Saarj remnants (sha), Legion twice, N'zoth were all pretty major threats. And now we have the Jailer.

  7. #3387
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Y'Saarj remnants (sha), Legion twice, N'zoth were all pretty major threats. And now we have the Jailer.
    The legion we had help from
    Titans
    Wild gods
    Celestials
    Imprisoned demons
    The lich king

    Nzoth was destroyed by mainly Azeroth

    Seems like the aspects were wrong and having new aspects would save a lot of headaches

  8. #3388
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Do you seriously think Zovaal can be "talked down"????
    Zovaal is all about feels. There's very much talk and very less action. Galakrond would be the exact opposite. Very much action and basically no talk.
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  9. #3389
    Quote Originally Posted by Sum if Fun1 View Post
    yeah but it seems mortal havent been dealing with any threats recently
    ...Eh? Not to be rude or anything, but yes we clearly have. We’ve been dealing with these threats since Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Zovaal is all about feels. There's very much talk and very less action. Galakrond would be the exact opposite. Very much action and basically no talk.
    Idk man, the Jailer’s been doing a lot in 9.1, and Sargeras LOVED destroying shit across the Great Dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    The legion we had help from
    Titans
    Wild gods
    Celestials
    Imprisoned demons
    The lich king

    Nzoth was destroyed by mainly Azeroth

    Seems like the aspects were wrong and having new aspects would save a lot of headaches
    The Aspects needed the aid of Thrall and the Champions of Azeroth to stop one of their own. Please, what would they do to help us anymore?

    The Titans only really helped against Argus, and they were still aiding US while WE battled the Unmaker. Almost everything from Classic to SL involved mortal influence, mainly OUR influence.

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    “Nzoth was destroyed by mainly Azeroth” No. He was destroyed by the Player Character wielding the Heart of Azeroth. Azeroth’s power is OUR power. And with the Heart of Reorigination, we successfully managed to destroy the Old God once and for all.

    Aspects couldn’t pull that shit off whatsoever. Hell, pretty certain the former aspects blessed us with remnants of their power so we could beat down the different types of threats easier, since well...we’re the only ones capable of stopping guys like N’Zoth.

  10. #3390
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    ...Eh? Not to be rude or anything, but yes we clearly have. We’ve been dealing with these threats since Classic.

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    Idk man, the Jailer’s been doing a lot in 9.1, and Sargeras LOVED destroying shit across the Great Dark.

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    The Aspects needed the aid of Thrall and the Champions of Azeroth to stop one of their own. Please, what would they do to help us anymore?

    The Titans only really helped against Argus, and they were still aiding US while WE battled the Unmaker. Almost everything from Classic to SL involved mortal influence, mainly OUR influence.

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    “Nzoth was destroyed by mainly Azeroth” No. He was destroyed by the Player Character wielding the Heart of Azeroth. Azeroth’s power is OUR power. And with the Heart of Reorigination, we successfully managed to destroy the Old God once and for all.

    Aspects couldn’t pull that shit off whatsoever. Hell, pretty certain the former aspects blessed us with remnants of their power so we could beat down the different types of threats easier, since well...we’re the only ones capable of stopping guys like N’Zoth.
    Azeroth’s power is our power
    The dragons are now mortal
    If a threat like Galakrond returns we have 1 of the former aspects left and let’s face it that’s one sided

    Azeroth helped the heroes defeat nzoth and she needs protectors that will not let infighting endanger the planet…she needs a group that knows what it’s like to fall and take up the charge of defending her.

    She needs to make new aspects with a clear purpose. Kalecgos, Chromozdormu, Wrathion, Alexstraza, the daughter of Ysera that had 3 lines. Empower them to make sure that life on Azeroth is safe and they will create their own army to make sure they don’t fail. Long live the Dragonsworn.

  11. #3391
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Has literally never stopped a Warcraft villain in the past lol
    I think you need to take a survey of how many actually got stopped by it. Most didn't handle death all that well, and the exceptions usually have that as an explicit part of their powers.

  12. #3392
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    I think you need to take a survey of how many actually got stopped by it. Most didn't handle death all that well, and the exceptions usually have that as an explicit part of their powers.
    Onyxia 3 FREAKIN TIMES
    kael Thas
    Guldan
    Ragnaros
    Netharion
    Kel thuzad
    Anubarak
    ZG bosses
    That troll from vaults

    Death is but a doorway
    Time but a window

  13. #3393
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Onyxia 3 FREAKIN TIMES
    kael Thas
    Guldan
    Ragnaros
    Netharion
    Kel thuzad
    Anubarak
    ZG bosses
    That troll from vaults

    Death is but a doorway
    Time but a window
    Half of those have that as part of their explicit powerset. In particular, killing Scourge is only moderately effective since the LK can simply re-raise them, and it was always clear we only banished Ragnaros back to his home plane the first time.

    Onyxia actually never came back; Neltharion merely animated her body. She was more of a golem in that fight than even undead. The second time you refer to is just a revisiting of her first fight. Storywise, she stayed dead.

    Both Gul'dan's stayed dead once killed. They're seperate characters.

    Kael'thas was revealed to have faked his death as soon as somebody took his drop quest to Shattrath. Once we killed him, he stayed dead and has been stuck in Revendreth ever since.

    Gara'jal stayed dead. Only his spirit remained. This is in-line with his title of Spirit Binder. It's essentially his job description.

    That leaves us with two Trolls in ZG (both of which were brought back through Necromancy) and Neltharion (who was never explained, he just showed up again).

    Besides, this is a tiny fraction of the characters in the story. If anything, this list serves to show that it actually doesn't commonly happen and people just let some exceptions cloud their judgement. Most characters stay dead once killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Onyxia 3 FREAKIN TIMES
    Eh... wasn't the "second time" just an anniversary event and they kept it around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    and Neltharion (who was never explained, he just showed up again).
    I think you guys mean Nefarian.
    It was explained in chronicle vol.3

    The TH reanimated him to serve them, he's undead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The Greek underworld has the Elysian Fields (though it originally was separate, but it still was an afterlife). Norse myth (another place where heroes and gods visit their respective underworld) has things like Valhalla.

    There are plenty of "happy" afterlives in myth..
    Isn't the Troll Afterlife (De Other Side) supposed to be 'happy'. Sen'jin sure isn't complaining. Or Rastakh- wait.


    Well, it should be a happy place if it weren't for Zalazane and Mueh'zala. Screw those guys lol

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  16. #3396
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Azeroth’s power is our power
    The dragons are now mortal
    If a threat like Galakrond returns we have 1 of the former aspects left and let’s face it that’s one sided

    Azeroth helped the heroes defeat nzoth and she needs protectors that will not let infighting endanger the planet…she needs a group that knows what it’s like to fall and take up the charge of defending her.

    She needs to make new aspects with a clear purpose. Kalecgos, Chromozdormu, Wrathion, Alexstraza, the daughter of Ysera that had 3 lines. Empower them to make sure that life on Azeroth is safe and they will create their own army to make sure they don’t fail. Long live the Dragonsworn.
    If an Aspect lvl threat rises, we'd kill it in a raid tier.

    Also, Dragonsworn would basically be like a Mage, or a Druid. Would LOVE to have a Dragonsworn class with the Dragonflights and the Dragon Isles IF 10.0 is Light and Shadow, since it's a unique hybrid of multiple classes and more, but if they do come in the game, Aspects won't be a factor there. The Dragonflights and the FORMER Aspects would be the factor. Wrathion would be a factor, etc.

    A better class imo would be a Bard, but I wouldn't be mad if that became a profession instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Isn't the Troll Afterlife (De Other Side) supposed to be 'happy'. Sen'jin sure isn't complaining. Or Rastakh- wait.


    Well, it should be a happy place if it weren't for Zalazane and Mueh'zala. Screw those guys lol
    It's a mix, depending on how good of a Troll you are, or what Loa you served and how well you served him/her lmao.

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    God, people that think we need the Aspects again don't even realize just how shit of a Job the Aspects did. We literally carried the Aspects from our fucking back despite their immense power since Classic. And now, why need the Aspects when we literally can just use Borrowed Power that can push us to about that power, if not beyond that, anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Eh... wasn't the "second time" just an anniversary event and they kept it around?

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    I think you guys mean Nefarian.
    It was explained in chronicle vol.3

    The TH reanimated him to serve them, he's undead.
    You don't need Chronicle 3 to know he was Undead to serve the Twilight's Hammer. Just do the raid lmao

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    Said borrowed power needs to come from somewhere... newly empowered Aspects could just be the source of that.

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  18. #3398
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Eh... wasn't the "second time" just an anniversary event and they kept it around?

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    I think you guys mean Nefarian.
    It was explained in chronicle vol.3

    The TH reanimated him to serve them, he's undead.
    Er, yes, Nefarian. And yes, that was just an anniversary remaster of the original fight, it wasn't actually a story event seperate from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    You don't need Chronicle 3 to know he was Undead to serve the Twilight's Hammer. Just do the raid lmao
    The raid doesn't explain why he's back. He just is there. That he's working with the same organisation that serves his father is hardly a surprise, though.

  19. #3399
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Said borrowed power needs to come from somewhere... newly empowered Aspects could just be the source of that.
    Why does everyone and their mother want newly empowered Aspects? Why do you think their power will do anything against guys such as the Void Lords or shit like that?

    We’re past simple Keeper or Aspect lvl threats. The borrowed power we utilize is of much greater might.

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    Yeah, let’s be empowered by the “New aspects” cause that’s certainly an upgrade from the Eternal Ones and the Covenants after facing Zovaal. Like no.

    And why would newly powered Aspects empower us so we fight their battles? Wasn’t the point of the aspects to begin with that they were the protectors of the Planet? So why would these new “protectors” need us to defend the planet they need to protect? This isn’t Cataclsym anymore, we’re literally past the need for Aspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    And why would newly powered Aspects empower us so we fight their battles? Wasn’t the point of the aspects to begin with that they were the protectors of the Planet? So why would these new “protectors” need us to defend the planet they need to protect? This isn’t Cataclsym anymore, we’re literally past the need for Aspects.
    Indeed. The whole ending of Cata was about us not needing protectors any more, and that we should take matters into our own hands. Passing the torch to mortals and such. Empowering aspects would kinda undermine it.

    That being said, I could get behind a twisted/corrupted versions of aspects, like with Murozond (but different dragons, stop traumatizing our good lizards Blizz pls). I am a sucker for certain anime tropes, like enemy forces being lead by a bunch of strong, distinct characters we have to go after one by one. Warlords (kinda) delivered in that regard.
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