1. #35321
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    It would be pretty awesome if this is a bamboozle and it would be pretty awesome if it's real, in my opinion. This is just pure fun leak seasoning.
    I'd be rather surprised if Blizzard is clever enough to hide anything in the background code of their website like this as a joke or red herring.

  2. #35322
    Quote Originally Posted by uikolertekopoku View Post



    Feel free to investigate
    World of Warcraft : DRAGONFIJOINT, Confirmed!
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Since Arthas used Frostmourne, which is a Runeblade, and Frostmourne's power eminates from those runes, that made him a Runemaster by default.

  3. #35323
    Does anyone have the very first original source on that image?

  4. #35324
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    I'm thinking this is either a coordinated intentional leak by them or a coordinated intentional bamboozle. I'd bet on it being real because I don't think they would go this far with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frood View Post
    I'm going to be "that guy" and say that this is a red herring. It's just a bit too suspicious for me. Some thoughts:
    Gonna reiterate from the other thread:

    The whole "fake leak planted" shit is posited every 2 years.

    expansion_02 doodads for Northrend? No way, too soon to fight the Lich King, Blizzard is kidding!
    Worgen and Goblin masks? Too convenient to show up with the leaks! Blizzard is trolling and Cata is fake!
    People did it with Mists. Joke trademark!
    WoD? Could not possibly involve time travel, the people at SoL were just getting trolled/misinformed!
    BFA? Those Zandalar and Kul Tiran sets and achievements were planted to throw us off!

    Ya'll are getting Dragonflight (the name, not necessarily the OP). Sorry.
    It happens every 2 years. Nope!

  5. #35325
    I have to agree with that, seems ridiculously unlikely it would be a troll, but it would still be funny.

  6. #35326
    I already dread the next two and a half weeks of sprouting new "Dragonflight" leaks now that we know the name.
    Also a big yikes to all you nerds already bickering about the new logo which we didn't see in full scale yet.

  7. #35327
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    I've come to not trust on any conceivable level that cutting down work in one area actually improves output in another. If it wasn't for SL being what it was, I'd still have a gut feeling that each expac is made by two different alternating teams even if I know it to absolutely false.

    Expansions that have had objectively less have delivered on what they did had with a poorer quality. So I don't really look at it in those terms. But fair enough.

    Also, people, the datamined armor means the Alex picture is pretty likely to be legit. There's no fake images to trace back.
    Pumping out races is piss easy at this stage. BFA put out like 6 of those things and it did nothing to make azerite armor less of a pox to play with. The core of meaningful complaints about the game center on the seeming complexity of systems and the unnecessary grinds glued on and the main fear hinges on backtracking from progress made of basically functional versions of the game like 7.3 and to a lesser extent 9.2 which are on a base level capable of sustaining enjoyment in the day to day play. The game already has enough classes and races, which much like customization options, don't have meaningful gameplay utility and much like mounts have already hit the point of oversaturation. The most essential things to include are a frontloaded shiny object, say, class skins, the aforementioned basically functional gameplay and managing a release schedule. The shiny sheen of everything wears off and when it ends you want to have more to throw at the person so they don't get bored rather than leaving them in an insane asylum gathering relativistic amounts of gold from facebook minigames because the rest of the game might as well not exist when you're not raiding (like WoD) or various degrees of unsatisfying grinds for negligible bonuses (the x.0 of the last three expansions).
    Last edited by Super Dickmann; 2022-04-03 at 06:40 AM.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

  8. #35328
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    ???

    I've never mentioned housing, though?

    Typically with expansions there's a tendency to make an association of the key art with a core feature. Blood Elves and Draenei. The Lich King being the ur-Death Knight. Chen as a monk. Even Cataclysm's revamp was directly associated with Deathwing wrecking the world. This trend more or less broke with Bolvar unless you count him being backdropped by Torghast. Even WoD was defined by the idea that we were invading an unfamiliar world of savage warlords with the whole Garrison concept.
    This trend never existed outside of your head. Every expansion since BC has just been an important figure. Arthas isn't on the box because DKs are a feature, he's there because he's the primary villain. Deathwing isn't on Cata's box because the world was being revamped, he's the primary villain. Chen isn't on the box because monks are a feature, he's there because he's was the sole notable pandaren. Ditto Grommash/the warlords and garrisons (what even are these mental gymnastics?).

    Vanilla and BC are the only two who have ever had anything to do with players. It's always just an important lore figure.

  9. #35329
    i don't think it's a bamboozle because blizzard just doesn't have the energy for this kind of stuff. 10 years ago they would prepare elaborate april fools jokes, now it's only patchnotes. most of what they do is predictable and formulaic.
    if it's a prank, it could give me hope - and i don't want this.

  10. #35330
    Quote Originally Posted by ro9ue View Post
    Honestly all they need to do is just have that be for cosmetics and story and it's fixed. It's the soulbinds, covenant abilities, etc that really fucked that system up.
    While the systems got fucked the most, the story suffered alot from it as well. 2/3 of the playerbase have at best a vague recollection about Pelagos and his journey. It just makes the already awful story even worse, because people simply lack context without having played 4 or different characters. It was already a terrible descision in BfA and lead to the first raid making practically no sense for the alliance (and that was only with 2 factions). Making it 5 now would make the already paper thin story probably non-existent in some places, as I see no reason why they would suddenly get it right after failing very consistently twice before without even a hint of improvement.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

  11. #35331
    Quote Originally Posted by guro-tchai View Post
    i don't think it's a bamboozle because blizzard just doesn't have the energy for this kind of stuff. 10 years ago they would prepare elaborate april fools jokes, now it's only patchnotes. most of what they do is predictable and formulaic.
    if it's a prank, it could give me hope - and i don't want this.
    I would say back in the days where the devs loved the community the old team (tbc,wotlk..)would do that thing.

    But todays Team? It’s ridiculous to assume its intended to prank us.

  12. #35332
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Vanilla and BC are the only two who have ever had anything to do with players. It's always just an important lore figure.
    WELL ACKSHUALLY, BFA also involved a Horde and Alliance soldier as a stand-in for players.

    But kidding aside, yeah, fair enough. I just don't want things to suck and I feel pretty burned. Going through the hype emotion rollercoaster. At the end of the day, we all just want the game to be the best it can be.

    ...most of us, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Pumping out races is piss easy at this stage. BFA put out like 6 of those things and it did nothing to make azerite armor less of a pox to play with. The core of meaningful complaints about the game center on the seeming complexity of systems and the unnecessary grinds glued on and the main fear hinges on backtracking from progress made of basically functional versions of the game like 7.3 and to a lesser extent 9.2 which are on a base level capable of sustaining enjoyment in the day to day play. The game already has enough classes and races, which much like customization options, don't have meaningful gameplay utility and much like mounts have already hit the point of oversaturation. The most essential things to include are a frontloaded shiny object, say, class skins, the aforementioned basically functional gameplay and managing a release schedule. The shiny sheen of everything wears off and when it ends you want to have more to throw at the person so they don't get bored rather than leaving them in an insane asylum gathering relativistic amounts of gold from facebook minigames because the rest of the game might as well not exist when you're not raiding (like WoD) or various degrees of unsatisfying grinds for negligible bonuses (the x.0 of the last three expansions).
    The new shiny feel is meaningless compared to how bogged and awkward the systems are, yes. I suppose my fear is less that it has anything to do with how long-term stable the game is and more that it's a worry that, with how similar Legion, BFA, and SL have been to one another at times, this is the intended blueprint to follow and no matter what, the decisions are already made surrounding it. So pretty much all the other bullshit they could pack in is disconnected from their strategy.

    So going the possibility that not only do you get the same x.0 problems (and possibly into future patches) but they're also putting far less energy into core features because the idea is that base level cosmetics with slow-drip power increases is "enough" to get the numbers they want.

    I trust less that any of it influences their ability to manage the game because I consider them functionally unrelated. The problems in SL that have been fixed were absolutely deliberate choices. You can see it in the face of the people defending these bad decisions in interviews with little to no rhetoric to support them. It is purely a calculated "engagement" based decision.

    I guess if I had to sum it up a certain way, I'd say that if they're going to fuck me, at least give me something nice to distract me while they do. Preferably, though, yes, don't do it at all.

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  14. #35334
    Quote Originally Posted by uikolertekopoku View Post
    I would say back in the days where the devs loved the community the old team (tbc,wotlk..)would do that thing.

    But todays Team? It’s ridiculous to assume its intended to prank us.
    well, you could make an argument that they're well aware that the community likes leaks - it's been acknowledged in the last april fools bluepost with Tinker Leaker or something. the question is, would they go further with the joke or not? laudable if yes, expected if no.

  15. #35335
    Quote Originally Posted by guro-tchai View Post
    well, you could make an argument that they're well aware that the community likes leaks - it's been acknowledged in the last april fools bluepost with Tinker Leaker or something. the question is, would they go further with the joke or not? laudable if yes, expected if no.
    You have to pre-suppose that they made fake concept art and a fake logo to go with web code that someone would just happen upon but also two weeks earlier uploaded textures for an encrypted transmog set that resembles the exact same thing worn in the "fake" concept art.

    That is...a lot.

  16. #35336
    Although the name is probably the real deal, I'm still on the fence about the image.

    Now I'm not someone who does these kind of things for a living, but why do the pictures look like someone is printing them out on their home computer? The white borders are all uneven from picture to picture, and they are manually laminating one at the bottom. They are even manually cutting them out with scissors. Is that something a person making promotional items would do in a professional setting? It seems more like a homemade craft project.

  17. #35337
    Seems like a lot has happened while I was sleeping.

    I guess Dragonflight could be the name, though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was a partial name, or otherwise just called that in the code, though that might be a stretch.

    I hear rumours of a bit of Alex art that might be close to believable though. Anyone happen to have that? Don't really feel like scouring the 25+ pages I missed.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  18. #35338
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Way to big scope and change of direction for one AddOn. Name is surely just a coincidence
    Vanilla Good, TBC Bad, Wotlk Good, Cata Bad, MoP Good, WoD Bad, Legion Good, BfA Bad, SL Good, ??? Bad

  19. #35339
    Quote Originally Posted by Vakir View Post
    I trust less that any of it influences their ability to manage the game because I consider them functionally unrelated. The problems in SL that have been fixed were absolutely deliberate choices. You can see it in the face of the people defending these bad decisions in interviews with little to no rhetoric to support them. It is purely a calculated "engagement" based decision.

    I guess if I had to sum it up a certain way, I'd say that if they're going to fuck me, at least give me something nice to distract me while they do. Preferably, though, yes, don't do it at all.
    Personally my expectation is Dragonflights as the 9.1.5 version of Covenants and to follow SL's footsteps in not having an unlimited grind. With all the talk of deterministic gearing and the Vault changes I also expect that if there's leggos at all it'd be akin to end of SL grind mechanisms included where you'd be able to grind it. Past that, you'll have cosmetic, either class skins if they're putting some effort in or extra character customization options and a formalized version of 9.2.5's evergreen raids/dungeons put into M+. They won't be reinventing the wheel.

    It is a fucking hideous logo though, worse than Empire of Dragons.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

  20. #35340
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    How convenient it was leaked a couple of hours after the name was basically confirmed. I guess the leaker looked at his strict contract and decided everyone basically knew everything already once the name came out.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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