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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    We tried time travel...

    Time travel can be a basis of Light and Shadow. Just have the Dragon Isles and the first raid specifically be focused on the Chromatic and Infinite flights, with the final boss being the Tiamat Chromatus.
    Folks gotta stop trying to ham-fist everything into Light/Shadow. Seriously.

    A Light/Shadow expansion is about Light/Shadow. It's not about Time Travel, it's not about the Faction War (though it probably will be and that's on Blizz's bad writers), it's not about the First Ones or whatever WoWHead datamined that managed to get Azeroth trending on twitter from the outrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    We tried time travel...

    Time travel can be a basis of Light and Shadow. Just have the Dragon Isles and the first raid specifically be focused on the Chromatic and Infinite flights, with the final boss being the Tiamat Chromatus.
    WoD wasn't Time travel based, it was just used as a plot device and then dropped immediately. In early dev, there was probably more but what we got was like little to no time travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    WoD wasn't Time travel based, it was just used as a plot device and then dropped immediately. In early dev, there was probably more but what we got was like little to no time travel.
    Yeah - WoD actually ended up as Multiverse Story. Quite similiar to the Loki series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    WoD wasn't Time travel based
    Just like Legion wasn't legion invasion based and BFA wasn't faction war based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    WoD wasn't Time travel based, it was just used as a plot device and then dropped immediately. In early dev, there was probably more but what we got was like little to no time travel.
    It was. Time Travel was the basis of how we did shit. And even then, you can do Time Travel and not force it as a main expansion plot. The Caverns of Time are a PERFECT example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Folks gotta stop trying to ham-fist everything into Light/Shadow. Seriously.

    A Light/Shadow expansion is about Light/Shadow. It's not about Time Travel, it's not about the Faction War (though it probably will be and that's on Blizz's bad writers), it's not about the First Ones or whatever WoWHead datamined that managed to get Azeroth trending on twitter from the outrage.
    I want you to read up on the Infinite Flight real quick. You'll soon learn just how wrong you are. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite_dragonflight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Maldraxxus also had a Legion invasion according to 9.1.
    Yes, but also need to realize just how massive the Light and Shadow shit is. From Il'gynoth's whispers, to N'Zoth's and Alleria's void whispers on Death being the main enemy to the Void, to Lothraxion and the current Dreadlord plot in SL (Which is also heavily linked with the Light), to Anduin, etc, Light and Shadow have a MASSIVE forefront on this expansion.

    Life and Death just happen to be the priority focus of it. But reminder that every expansion is heavily linked with one another. Much of Legion was setting up N'Zoth and Azshara (As well as the faction shit with Genn and Sylvanas), much of BFA was focused on Sylvanas and her shit, and much of SL is focused on Light and Shadow connections. It's possible the Dragon Isles and the Infinite Flight could be but a plotpoint of the expansion, much like how the Nightmare was with Legion.

    You can literally make the first raid based around the Infinite Flight, the Chromatic Flight, etc with Chromatus as the last boss of that raid.

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    I would NEVER imagine Blizzard passing up the opportunity of giving us a fucking TIAMAT raid boss. Never. And they fucked up WoD...

    That's how much I think this boss needs to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    That's literally what the Bronze Dragonflight is.

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    When does the Maw become purple?
    There is a datamined Maw Model where it looks Red and Purple. It's nothing crazy or anything like that. Lots of Sylvanas' Mawsworn are purple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    WoD wasn't Time travel based
    Time travel was the foundation of the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Just like Legion wasn't legion invasion based and BFA wasn't faction war based.
    Bad examples. WoD was based around the savage world and the Iron Horde. Aside from Kairoz and a little bit of Chromie, the bronze dragonflight was not involved in the main plot at all. Same with the infinite dragonflight. Time travel stuff in WoD was just a Mcgaffin to take us to another planet and that's it. Judging by your logic, BfA should be Void based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Just like Legion wasn't legion invasion based and BFA wasn't faction war based.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    It was. Time Travel was the basis of how we did shit. And even then, you can do Time Travel and not force it as a main expansion plot. The Caverns of Time are a PERFECT example of that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Time travel was the foundation of the expansion.
    No, it wasn't. You could have seamlessly replaced it with Kairoz creating a replica of pre-shattering Draenor and the story would have been completely unaffected. Time travel was irrelevant to the story. We never even traveled through time, we just hijacked a portal through an existing dimensional path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Bad examples. WoD was based around the savage world and the Iron Horde. Aside from Kairoz and a little bit of Chromie, the bronze dragonflight was not involved in the main plot at all. Same with the infinite dragonflight. Time travel stuff in WoD was just a Mcgaffin to take us to another planet and that's it. Judging by your logic, BfA should be Void based.
    It was even less than that. Just a minor plot device that had no relevance beyond the setup. It's like saying Cabin in the Woods is car based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Bad examples. WoD was based around the savage world and the Iron Horde. Aside from Kairoz and a little bit of Chromie, the bronze dragonflight was not involved in the main plot at all. Same with the infinite dragonflight. Time travel stuff in WoD was just a Mcgaffin to take us to another planet and that's it. Judging by your logic, BfA should be Void based.
    Indeed. That's the distinction, I say -- it's a plot device, not the actual plot proper. An actual expansion focused of that theme would instead focus on it consistently throughout, serving not as a plot device to reach the story, but as a driving force all throughout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Bad examples. WoD was based around the savage world and the Iron Horde. Aside from Kairoz and a little bit of Chromie, the bronze dragonflight was not involved in the main plot at all. Same with the infinite dragonflight. Time travel stuff in WoD was just a Mcgaffin to take us to another planet and that's it. Judging by your logic, BfA should be Void based.
    But we didn't really time travel. That's the whole change they did during the Alpha. We actually travelled to an alternative universe Draenor that was like 30 years in the past of our current timeline. Our actions didn't change anything for our past, unlike for example the Caverns of Time, which made sure to tell us that the bronze dragons had to mind-wipe all witnesses after our actions there.

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    Well these interviews were.. lame? I mean these days I don't even read the interviews anymore and just read the bullet points.. Usually only Preach and Bel ask some decent questions.

    Anyway I'm worried about the game in the long run, Shadowlands is going in a sort of BFA way. My raiders are worried about having to re craft their legendaries when they didn't knew at the time of crafting that these changes would be so impactful.

    It's time for Blizzard to come down to Earth and really discuss what's happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

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    I'm sticking with my theory of a time-based theme for next expansion based on the interviews. From the interview:

    A note in Tazavesh mentions a possible seventh cosmic force. Time will tell whether the scribe has lost their mind. or if it leads to something more substaintial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    You gotta love those replies all shitting on retail WoW's awful story. This might be the only place in existence that still gets excited for this shlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    You gotta love those replies all shitting on retail WoW's awful story. This might be the only place in existence that still gets excited for this shlock.
    Compare that to the excellent story of TBC. Not to mention, they need to bring it back to Azeroth's traditional Gothic Fantasy routes, not like the Science Fiction-influenced High Fantasy it is now. I am glad that TBC's story was in such an excellent place and it really allowed us to see the full, traditional fantasy of Azeroth in a classically fantastical, yet down-to-earth, setting, and where the old characters were so deeply-respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    You gotta love those replies all shitting on retail WoW's awful story. This might be the only place in existence that still gets excited for this shlock.
    Can't you do yourself (and everyone else) a favor and not waste your time on a franchise you clearly despise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipolnalrt View Post
    I'm sticking with my theory of a time-based theme for next expansion based on the interviews. From the interview:

    A note in Tazavesh mentions a possible seventh cosmic force. Time will tell whether the scribe has lost their mind. or if it leads to something more substaintial!
    Would maybe have more impact if it wasn't a common turn of phrase. You've probably invested magnitudes more thought into this than the person that said it.

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    To all the people upset about the story being about the cosmos, literally every expansion has expanded on our understanding of the cosmos.

    BC - Burning Legion, and the Light
    WotLK - Ulduar and the Titans and the void
    Cata - Old gods, void, some Emerald Dream stuff
    MoP - Titans and old god/void
    WoD - Burning Legion and some void and light stuff

    You get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Can't you do yourself (and everyone else) a favor and not waste your time on a franchise you clearly despise?
    When one is utterly infatuated with a product to the point of obsession, balanced regard for it must look like utter hatred and contempt in comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Compare that to the excellent story of TBC. Not to mention, they need to bring it back to Azeroth's traditional Gothic Fantasy routes, not like the Science Fiction-influenced High Fantasy it is now. I am glad that TBC's story was in such an excellent place and it really allowed us to see the full, traditional fantasy of Azeroth in a classically fantastical, yet down-to-earth, setting, and where the old characters were so deeply-respected.
    Binary thinking is pretty funny to witness, despite its commonality. The herd is getting agitated again.
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