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    OK so how is Light knowable except through its primary agents? If anything, the force itself would be unaligned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    OK so how is Light knowable except through its primary agents? If anything, the force itself would be unaligned.
    By the nature of the magic itself, without their agents. I would not say the force itself is unaligned because it being a cuple fo times since they show to act on their own, or even develop sentience. Thats why i just pin down a primary drive "law, chaos or neutrality" the rest we see by the entities/people using it.

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    With a console version, I wonder if the game would get a F2P type system. Preferable something reasonable. ESO's (where you get all content but latest expansion in a sub+ perks or just buy expansions/DLC piecemeal) would be my preferred option. Especially if they steal the bottomless account wide crafting mats bag for subs.
    If they make a world revamp, separately from the Old World, I could see them making everything until Shadowlands free to play, but I do not think that they will drop the subscription model anytime soon, although I would not be surprised if they make a ''premium'' subscription model or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    For timewalking: timewalking raids are only fun because they're available like twice a year, the gear they offer isn't terribly relevant (normal raid quality gear) and a lot of people only do the dungeons for the raid box. It's not content you'd do a lot if it was evergreen. People would lose interest quickly and then the content would be dead--think about how hard it is to find groups for group quests while leveling (which is explicitly a big reason why they're no longer a thing). Look at BFA: Eternal Palace dropped trinkets that were still bis into 8.3 and was required for one of the best essences for most classes, and it was mostly dead and people hated having to go back for it. Or now with legendary recipes from Nathria.

    And then having potentially multiple of these each patch, that all have to be fun and unique, but also futureproofed to last forever which locks specs into basically never changing baseline. Like, what happens if a spec gets reworked like Shadow did from BFA to SL? Oops, all 30 of your essences have to be totally reworked and rebalanced now too.
    On Timewalking I would argue that raiders need more content more frequently. People clear the current raid on the level of difficulty they can manage with a few months. Then many guilds struggle to progress at a level of difficulty they mostly cannot handle until the tier is over. This is what I've seen in guilds in the past. Some people can handle the next difficulty, some can barely handle the difficulty the guild is really doing and many guilds don't last more than a couple of xpacs because of this. Alternatively guilds realize their limits but run out of content; once progress stops many people are just too bored with doing farm content. Raid mounts can keep people busy, and keep attendance high especially if we have the combo of a skip & higher ilvl gear form last few bosses. But that's not enough content and people start logging off.
    Imagine this then. Each raid tier, the current raid is the only current content for about 3 months. After 3 months, a timewalking season begins and a timewalking raid with a heroic version available enters the game. People who are done with progress can move to the TW raid.
    Same for M+; split the season in half and in the second part have a few dungeons from the TW season enter the rotation.

    On the idea that old raids of the same xpac go dead, I'd say look at Legion. People did weekend speed runs of Emerald Nightmare and later Nighthold well into the expansion farming legendaries, AP and hidden appearances. Was extremely easy to find a PuG for those raids; people were even PuGing Mythic Emerald Nightmare. If there is compelling rewards and the gameplay is actually fun, people will do old content. I'd say the reason people did not do Eternal Palace for the Essence was that a) there were very few good rewards for doing that (the Essence and the Azshara trinket, not even a mount) and b) Eternal Palace was the worst raid of BfA by a decent margin with Queen Azshara one of the worst design end bosses in quite a while.

    On the idea of constantly redesigning classes . . . well personally I think they should stop doing that. They should be adding designs laterally without destroying existing playstyles all the time. Iterate on good playstyle and add more. There is really no point to the talent system when most people play a spec in the exact same way and they almost never get there because it seems they don't even want to; they usually squash alternative playstyles instead.

    And yeah I do see Essences possibly getting overwhelming after a while. They could retire older ones I suppose. Perhaps slap a timewalking tag on them and make them available only during timewalking of their season). Maybe rotate some old essences every season to keep things spicy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    By the nature of the magic itself, without their agents. I would not say the force itself is unaligned because it being a cuple fo times since they show to act on their own, or even develop sentience. Thats why i just pin down a primary drive "law, chaos or neutrality" the rest we see by the entities/people using it.
    But what is the nature of Light? Healing, retribution, protection. It destroys the corrupt (fel) and the undead. And when used in divination, it looks for the best course to get you to your preferred outcome. it doesn't force the outcome. We can see that in Velen's prophetic visions. It's not that the Light discounts all possibilities, Velen describes his visions and it is more that it seeks a path instead of showing all paths. I just don't see that as necessarily lawful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    The Azshara log in screen joke was done a few pages ago. No need to repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldofSargeras View Post
    I'm tired of "Azeroth is wounded" plot. Let her do something
    Ye, I am not keen on a literal planet we walk upon to "do something".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ye, I am not keen on a literal planet walk upon to "do something".
    I think it's probably because it is the biggest mystery as to what that even means. Chronicle suggested the Titans are living worlds. So we assumed that they WERE their planets, that it involved some transformation which could be fatal or at least difficult for those living on them. Then the audio story from 7.3 told us the planets were cocoons used by the world souls to protect themselves.
    But we still don't know what that means though. We met the Pantheon and they are astral bodies; they can assume corporeal forms of many sizes but they are not worlds themselves. And maybe that is because all of them were killed or in the case of Argus not fully born yet. But we also see Sargeras.
    Sargeras does not look like a "living world". He looks like he has chosen a form to assume and can shift in and out of it as well as to any number of sizes.
    So we really do not know what happens to the world. The catastrophic version of the world being transformed to become the Titan's body however seems out of the picture. Does the planet crack like an egg to let the titan out? Or is the planet discarded as a cocoon but still functional once the Titan is ready to exit? Could Azeroth assume a form like Argus without the planet being destroyed? We don't even know what happened to Argus after all. Did it blow up (poor broken)? Or is it just there still?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think it's probably because it is the biggest mystery as to what that even means. Chronicle suggested the Titans are living worlds. So we assumed that they WERE their planets, that it involved some transformation which could be fatal or at least difficult for those living on them. Then the audio story from 7.3 told us the planets were cocoons used by the world souls to protect themselves.
    But we still don't know what that means though. We met the Pantheon and they are astral bodies; they can assume corporeal forms of many sizes but they are not worlds themselves. And maybe that is because all of them were killed or in the case of Argus not fully born yet. But we also see Sargeras.
    Sargeras does not look like a "living world". He looks like he has chosen a form to assume and can shift in and out of it as well as to any number of sizes.
    So we really do not know what happens to the world. The catastrophic version of the world being transformed to become the Titan's body however seems out of the picture. Does the planet crack like an egg to let the titan out? Or is the planet discarded as a cocoon but still functional once the Titan is ready to exit? Could Azeroth assume a form like Argus without the planet being destroyed? We don't even know what happened to Argus after all. Did it blow up (poor broken)? Or is it just there still?
    Yeah pretty much. Honestly killing Azeroth doesn't seem all that bad of an idea. Like we would likely not survive the World Soul turning into a Walking Titan. Besides during BfA Azeroth was supposedly dying, but besides outcrops of fantasy uranium, we didn't really experience anything bad.

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    im wondering when the next TW update will come
    im assuming 9.2.7 or something with ToT for raiding which will be relatively popular unless they fixed the rune trinket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think it's probably because it is the biggest mystery as to what that even means. Chronicle suggested the Titans are living worlds. So we assumed that they WERE their planets, that it involved some transformation which could be fatal or at least difficult for those living on them. Then the audio story from 7.3 told us the planets were cocoons used by the world souls to protect themselves.
    But we still don't know what that means though. We met the Pantheon and they are astral bodies; they can assume corporeal forms of many sizes but they are not worlds themselves. And maybe that is because all of them were killed or in the case of Argus not fully born yet. But we also see Sargeras.
    Sargeras does not look like a "living world". He looks like he has chosen a form to assume and can shift in and out of it as well as to any number of sizes.
    So we really do not know what happens to the world. The catastrophic version of the world being transformed to become the Titan's body however seems out of the picture. Does the planet crack like an egg to let the titan out? Or is the planet discarded as a cocoon but still functional once the Titan is ready to exit? Could Azeroth assume a form like Argus without the planet being destroyed? We don't even know what happened to Argus after all. Did it blow up (poor broken)? Or is it just there still?
    Eternals movie kinda soured our perception on how this soul awakening may look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Yeah pretty much. Honestly killing Azeroth doesn't seem all that bad of an idea. Like we would likely not survive the World Soul turning into a Walking Titan. Besides during BfA Azeroth was supposedly dying, but besides outcrops of fantasy uranium, we didn't really experience anything bad.
    I honestly thought that the later retracted idea (I don't remember who it was but very high up) that Azeroth was dead already was a very solid idea.

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    I wonder if we get a Godzilla plot with 10.0. Chromatus can be the wow version of Ghidorah. I can imagine copying Ghidorah's cackling laugh and snapping, curious heads.
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    Azeroth dying wouldn't exactly be pleasant either:



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    10.0 will be a Life/Light expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusefstrasza View Post
    10.0 will be a Life/Light expansion
    Yep, no dragons at all
    Blizz jebaited everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrja View Post
    Yep, no dragons at all
    Blizz jebaited everyone
    I mean in terms of cosmic force theme. Dragons are connected to Life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    legend says that millenia from now the Azshara login screen will be worshipped, but nobody will know why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusefstrasza View Post
    I mean in terms of cosmic force theme. Dragons are connected to Life.
    and order since the ones that empowered them are the pantheon of order

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Dragons View Post
    and order since the ones that empowered them are the pantheon of order
    True but i doubt the pantheon will play a role in 10.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusefstrasza View Post
    10.0 will be a Life/Light expansion
    Life/Dragon expansion is what I'd bet on. With some ties to Elementals.

    A Light-themed twist isn't completely out of the question though, especially since according to the Tauren creation myth, Elune should have a twin brother (An'she) with control over Light/Fire. And we know for a fact that this myth is at least somewhat accurate since Lo'sho, the Blue Child, is obviously supposed to represent the Winter Queen. So who's An'she then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yusefstrasza View Post
    True but i doubt the pantheon will play a role in 10.0
    I hope they don't. They can have an implied presence behind the scenes, but we need something below titan level.

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