1. #4801
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    With all the bad press Blizzard has been getting lately, and with FFXIV challenging it on multiple levels (and having a new expansion coming in September), I really don't think Blizzard can afford to skip out on Gamescon with zero announcements.
    I don't disagree that an announcement at Gamescom would probably be a good thing for Blizz right now. They could absolutely use a PR win right now as a company, though it's debatable whether a game announcement would serve to distract from the workers fighting for a better working environment.

    My doubt on this is more from the Gamescom side. The Blizz situation is likely still going to be pretty fresh in people's minds in a couple weeks. Their presence at Gamescom could absolutely steal away many of the Gamescom headlines, plus Gamescom may want to make a statement about the actions taken before. I feel it's 50-50 at this point whether Gamescom lets Blizz have a panel or asks Blizz to stay home & clean up their affairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I really think you're going to see both 9.2 and the next expansion at Gamescon, just in an effort to curb FFXIV's ascent as a rival MMO.
    This is another reason I actually think they may wait. Trying to go head to head with FFXIV right now would only be an exercise in futility for Blizz with the trending directions of the two games. If Blizz gets something small out around the time of Endwalker with 9.2 coming out in Jan/Feb, they could perhaps get people back once the main content of Endwalker is a couple months old. Then, announce the new expansion & try to turn the headlines back to WoW in Feb/Mar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, but the leaks got the title of the expansion and a few locations correct. Other leaks also hinted at Bolvar's involvement as well.

    Beyond all of that, I do feel that Blizzard wanted to bring in a new class in 9.0 but just felt that no class concept matched up with Shadowlands.

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    I really think you're going to see both 9.2 and the next expansion at Gamescon, just in an effort to curb FFXIV's ascent as a rival MMO.

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    Actually an Undermine expansion would fit the Tinker concept very well, and be a nice break from all the cosmic stuff we experienced in Shadowlands. Undermine was a planned continent in vanilla, and would definitely re-center the game back to its more classic roots on Azeroth.

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    I don't disagree that an announcement at Gamescom would probably be a good thing for Blizz right now. They could absolutely use a PR win right now as a company, though it's debatable whether a game announcement would serve to distract from the workers fighting for a better working environment.

    My doubt on this is more from the Gamescom side. The Blizz situation is likely still going to be pretty fresh in people's minds in a couple weeks. Their presence at Gamescom could absolutely steal away many of the Gamescom headlines, plus Gamescom may want to make a statement about the actions taken before. I feel it's 50-50 at this point whether Gamescom lets Blizz have a panel or asks Blizz to stay home & clean up their affairs.
    But cleaning up their affairs has nothing to do with the development of the game. Idk I'm a huge blue heart supporter but your suggestion sounds more like cancel culture than anything else. Blizzard needs some positive news right now.

  3. #4803
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    But cleaning up their affairs has nothing to do with the development of the game. Idk I'm a huge blue heart supporter but your suggestion sounds more like cancel culture than anything else. Blizzard needs some positive news right now.
    I don't disagree, Blizz could use some good news. Company morale has to be at a pretty low spot right now & probably many of the people making the decisions are worried for their jobs, unsure if they'll be with the company when 10.0 is released. Something to excite the community again & give a happier topic to talk about could go a long way.

    But look at this from the side of Gamescom. They would in essence be bringing in a company who has within the last month had a big lawsuit brought against them, an employee walkout, and constantly changing messages from management. A company whose employees have been telling horror stories about how the work culture & con culture have been. A story that has already caused several news outlets to declare they will not talk about Blizz games for the rest of the year. A story this big is already likely to have an adverse effect on Gamescom, regardless of whether Blizz is there presenting something in person. Blizz actually presenting there this soon after everything that has come out would only bring those issues immediately to the forefront of everyone's mind. I could absolutely see a convention opting to not have them present this year, but allowing them back in future years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I don't disagree, Blizz could use some good news. Company morale has to be at a pretty low spot right now & probably many of the people making the decisions are worried for their jobs, unsure if they'll be with the company when 10.0 is released. Something to excite the community again & give a happier topic to talk about could go a long way.
    I would say that worker morale is actually high, with all the shit being exposed, workers teaming up, big support given and (maybe) meaningful changes happening. Blizz is basically forced to do something right now.
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  5. #4805
    Hey! I decided to post my own speculation and expectation for the next WoW expansion.
    These are basically the things that would make me feel excited.


    Theme ONE: The Void
    (Not the expansion name, just a theme)
    -New world: K'aresh
    -Homeworld of the famous Ethereal race. The planet was mostly destroyed by "Dimensius the All-Devouring".
    -We arrive there (Blizzard can find a way to explain why) and find a community of friendly surviving Ethereals.
    -There are also unfriendly Ethereals who allied with the Void (as we've seen on Argus)
    -Alleria, Umbric & Void Elves have a huge part to play and we finally find out more about Void Elves.
    -New playable race: Ethereal (Warrior, Hunter, Rogue, Monk, Priest, Mage, Warlock, Druid and... Tinker)
    -I dk if they should be neutral, A or H. I know what Blizzard said, but I don't have a problem with being able to choose a faction.
    -New class: Tinker (A: Dwarf, Gnome, Draenei, Void Elf, LF Draenei, DI Dwarf, Mechagnome, Ethereal?)
    (B: Orc, Blood Elf, Goblin, M Orc, Nightborne?, Vulpera?, Ethereal?)
    -Personally, I'm not a fan of "engineering" or any tech-themed stuff being put into WoW, but I can see this one coming honestly.
    -We finally find out more about the Void Lords lore...
    -Xal'atath gets a cool new Void Elf special model in "nice" armor and immediately becomes fan favorite looking character.



    Theme TWO: Dragon Isles
    -New continent above Lordaeron that is similar to Broken Isles, Kul Tiras and Zandalar.
    -Infinite Dragonflight is the main threat of the expansion.
    -Our beloved aspects leaders get a major role.
    -Imagine Kalecgos actually getting a new HD humanoid form model.
    -Character development on all of them, including Wrathion.
    -New class: Still think they would add Tinker first, but if you ask me, Dragonsworn name has been used a lot recently and I like the theme of using dragon powers.
    -In that case, each race should be available to be that class and lorewise have it as their humanoid form, while they're actually a dragon?!



    I want to point out many things I expect from the next expansion that are not tied to these themes above:

    -A perfect moment for Azeroth EK and Kalimdor revamp - including finally adding Blood Elf & Draenei areas to Azeroth maps. A perfect opportunity to give every race their capital city (such as Night Elves getting a city in Hyjal and Worgen retaking Gilneas). The Allied races could get their bigger hubs in existing cities (example: There is a green forest behind Mage District in Stormwind- they could make another district right there and let it only have High and Void elf structures).

    -New lore added to each questing zone so that it’s not stuck in Cataclysm era anymore. BUT - I want them to keep the same quest rewards so that we don’t get another “not available anymore” situation like we did when Cataclysm went live and Transmogrification. They could also use this opportunity to finish giving more rewards-items that would finish some tmog sets (that have missing stuff such as boots, etc.).

    -After heritage armor is finished, they should add heritage weapons (each weapon type) for each race. They should also use this opportunity to update Vanilla armor to HD. The other Vanilla model creatures should also be updated. I would want updated Gnolls to be on Dragon Isles just like the Killboars were on Kul Tiras when they got updated.

    -Continued customization for Allied races and Core races again.
    -If they really don’t add the new customization for Allied races (I can hear that Nightborne cry), then I don’t want to be disappointed in 10.0. With Azeroth revamp, they should allow some races to get new class combo such as Night Elf Paladin, Draenei Rogue, Orc Priest (shadow lorewise - just like Mag’har), Goblin & Worgen Monks (with Exiles reach, I still find it weird that they’re not available now).

    -I want them to add class skins - such as Void magic skin for Holy/discipline VE priests. Light skin for Lightforged Shadow Priests, Elune blueish skin for priests, etc. Could keep going.

    Thanks for reading!

  6. #4806
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I would say that worker morale is actually high, with all the shit being exposed, workers teaming up, big support given and (maybe) meaningful changes happening. Blizz is basically forced to do something right now.
    If anything, they're probably positive about how Blizz is handling things. ActiBlizz is a different story, though it's a bit annoying some sources can't seem to be able to tell the two apart.

  7. #4807
    if we do dragons and dont get a dragonsworn class that will be the second biggest missed opportunity in WoW history

  8. #4808
    There is never going to be another class. And the reasons for that are Legion class halls, BfA azerite gear and Shadowlands covenants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There is never going to be another class. And the reasons for that are Legion class halls, BfA azerite gear and Shadowlands covenants.
    Yeah no. Blizzard isn't going to hold the game back for decades because of expansion relevant content, they will simply skip the artifact quests or covenant powers. Blizzard has absolutely no intention of making the old stuff relevant.

  10. #4810
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Alex as final boss? Might evolve helping some chained girls, while avoiding greg throwing beerglasses?

    The jailer will be the first boss just to get rid of him asap.
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  11. #4811
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Blizzard seemingly hinted at a new class being ready for Shadowlands, but the thematic of the expansion didn't support it. So yeah, I could see a new class already being ready to go for the next expansion.

    The real question is does the expansion get revealed later this month at Gamescon, or does it get revealed at BlizzCon in February?
    I really don't think they're going to announce it on Gamescom. I mean there's nothing about 9.2 yet and 9.1 is less than two months live by then. An announcement early next year during their virtual Blizzcon could still result in a late Q4/22 release. Or maybe they just announce it later this year on a special "online event" they just hold for unveiling the expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There is never going to be another class. And the reasons for that are Legion class halls, BfA azerite gear and Shadowlands covenants.
    While this is true and makes a lot of sense, all of this still could be somehow skipped. You just have to remember that with a new expansion only the new expansion matters and nothing that came before. They could either give the new class an entirely new starting area where all of these issues are overcome or they just give them one questline per expansion where they get a set of weapons (Legion), Azerite armor (BfA) or Covenant stuff (Shadowlands) and will keep it through the entire expansion. And by making expansions scale, you don’t even have to do them to get to max level.
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  12. #4812
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I really don't think they're going to announce it on Gamescom. I mean there's nothing about 9.2 yet and 9.1 is less than two months live by then. An announcement early next year during their virtual Blizzcon could still result in a late Q4/22 release. Or maybe they just announce it later this year on a special "online event" they just hold for unveiling the expansion
    Revealing expansion is literally only thing that couldn't wait for regular Blizzcon, so imo it was reason to do virtual Blizzcon at all. And yeah, minimum time between reveal and launch is Alpha/Beta length, so 7-8 months.

    Of course these are speculations before drama, now we are on complete unknown territory.

  13. #4813
    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There is never going to be another class. And the reasons for that are Legion class halls, BfA azerite gear and Shadowlands covenants.
    They'll just implement some skips that allow you to see most of the old content and do what they did with the Demon Hunter, i.e. you'll start at 58, do some intro quests until 60 and then move on to pre-patch content / next expansion.

    That way it won't matter if you have a Class Hall, Azerite Gear or anything else.
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  14. #4814
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarethion View Post
    They'll just do what they did with the Demon Hunter, i.e. you'll start at 58, do some intro quests until 60 and then move on to pre-patch content / next expansion, plus implement some skips that allow you to see most of the old content.

    That way it won't matter if you have a Class Hall, Azerite Gear or anything else.
    Yeah this is the easiest solution overall. I mean they could even start at 50 when they get an exclusive starting area which gets you to learn their gameplay. There you can level to 58 and directly go to the new expansion after that. Problem solved.
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  15. #4815
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarethion View Post
    They'll just implement some skips that allow you to see most of the old content and do what they did with the Demon Hunter, i.e. you'll start at 58, do some intro quests until 60 and then move on to pre-patch content / next expansion.

    That way it won't matter if you have a Class Hall, Azerite Gear or anything else.
    There were no systems such as those when DHs were introduced. At most they had to give Nefarian a special interaction with them. Now they would have to give the new class a class hall and new covenant spells, otherwise it wouldn't be "Blizzard quality" or what's left of it.

    It'd very naive to not expect some if not a lot of people to revisit Legion/BfA/Shadowlands with a new class, and if and when they do then it's going to feel raw and unfinished if a lot of the expansion's elements are missing.

    Either way this is what I think. I'm seeing Blizzard trying something along the lines of elite specializations like GW2 did, as opposed to introducing a new class. That would solve some of the awkward interactions with Legion and Shadowlands, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    it wouldn't be "Blizzard quality" or what's left of it.
    Blizzard quality in 2021 is making the new class just skip over artifact/covenant quests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There were no systems such as those when DHs were introduced. At most they had to give Nefarian a special interaction with them. Now they would have to give the new class a class hall and new covenant spells, otherwise it wouldn't be "Blizzard quality" or what's left of it.

    It'd very naive to not expect some if not a lot of people to revisit Legion/BfA/Shadowlands with a new class, and if and when they do then it's going to feel raw and unfinished if a lot of the expansion's elements are missing.

    Either way this is what I think. I'm seeing Blizzard trying something along the lines of elite specializations like GW2 did, as opposed to introducing a new class. That would solve some of the awkward interactions with Legion and Shadowlands, at least.
    The class hall is entirely optional and utterly irrelevant post legion other than farming some nice transmogs. New classes also didn't get tier sets, so why would Blizzard go out of their way to design things for obsolete content, that is an utterly illogical assumption on your part. The same for covenants, after SL these abilities will cease to function most likely and will be abandoned like every other system in the last 3 expansions.
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    Or, let's be fair, they will just do what Blizzard did for WoD tier sets when Demon Hunters were added. Give essentially placeholder items as reward for the content.

    Order hall: table in Dalaran that lets you choose a zone.
    Artifact: copied questing green appearance with slots for conduits or whatever they were called.
    Covenant ability: let the power of [covenant] course through you, increasing all your stats by X% for Y seconds.
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    I really think the drama around the horrible harassment of women will not negatively affect WoW.
    I hope they will fix the issue within their company.
    But concerning money they are in a really good state.
    Don't become distracted by streamers hating on WoW because it gives them clicks. Even though I really appreciate the entertainment of Asmongold, I've seen him switching between hype and hate in the last months quiet too often.
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    Why WoW will not die is simply because there is no equal competitor for people that like the visuals, the atmosphere, and the world of warcraft. FF is pure anime (hello giant anime swines with a crown....), new world looks very clunky, strangely bad animated and a awkward setting.

    I just hope they will get their sh*t together now and bring SL to a proper end with a nice patch and we will hopefully see a world revamp in the next xpac without too much cosmic power rangers crap
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  20. #4820
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Blizzard quality in 2021 is making the new class just skip over artifact/covenant quests
    I don't even see why they would need to skip it. Say the new class is tinkers, there is nothing stopping Blizzard from making a neat wrench model and just having the aquisition questline simply be that you talk to a special engineer in Dalaran that gives it to you.
    The talent tree and special ability is obsolete, all that is really needed for an artifact is an item that lets you slot in 3 of those weapon gems they gave back in Legion.

    Fir an order hall you could just place a couple of extra tables In the engineer shop. The mission table was only relevant for the class quests, nothing is really lost by simply not having it.

    And covenant ability is literally the easiest thing to make. "Do X% for damage for Y seconds."
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