1. #4841
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    How many patches SL will have was decided long time ago, and sudden change of Blizz leadership wont produce any visible WoW results for some time, if any.
    Oh come on, we've seen what happned earlier this year with how far along Korthia was (or not to be precise given the anemic showing at blizzconline. Blizzard is not preproducing tonns of content right now. If they planned 2 they could easily cut and merge it down to 1. Other game studios have stamped out whole games with the debris of past projects in half a year, Blizzard can do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Well shit, J. Allen Brack leaves.
    Not to derive the thread, but I think it is a good thing. The apologetic/disgusted tone of his statement was really off compared to those videos from Blizzcon. It sounded like someone who knew he fucked up, but was trying to save his skin in the process under the cover of a tolerant and apologetic message. Although I genuinely believe he came to realise there was an issue... I also believe he was a part of the said issue, for closing his eyes or ignoring Afriasiabi's behaviour for years.

    I think new blood is what Blizzard's management needs at the moment.

    That being said, I truly believe 9.2 will be the end of Shadowlands, and that an 9.3 patch is highly unlikely. And if that is the case, I also believe it will be a good thing: better to have a strong ending with 9.2 than a lukewarm one stretched over to 9.3 imo!

    But maybe all of this is wishful thinking, time will tell...
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  3. #4843
    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There were no systems such as those when DHs were introduced. At most they had to give Nefarian a special interaction with them. Now they would have to give the new class a class hall and new covenant spells, otherwise it wouldn't be "Blizzard quality" or what's left of it.

    It'd very naive to not expect some if not a lot of people to revisit Legion/BfA/Shadowlands with a new class, and if and when they do then it's going to feel raw and unfinished if a lot of the expansion's elements are missing.

    Either way this is what I think. I'm seeing Blizzard trying something along the lines of elite specializations like GW2 did, as opposed to introducing a new class. That would solve some of the awkward interactions with Legion and Shadowlands, at least.
    A potential new class doesn't need to have Legion Order Halls.

    DK's didn't have anything added after their introduction. (bar the S4 set)
    Monks didn't have anything added after their introduction.
    DH's didn't have anything added after their introduction.

    Seeing the pattern here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentynel View Post
    A potential new class doesn't need to have Legion Order Halls.

    DK's didn't have anything added after their introduction. (bar the S4 set)
    Monks didn't have anything added after their introduction.
    DH's didn't have anything added after their introduction.

    Seeing the pattern here?
    Exactly. It would be a reduced experience, but it would work nonetheless-

  5. #4845
    I don't think there won't be a 9.3, not because of recent events, because they must have already started working on it storywise. I'm only afraid that it will turn out to be a 8.3 style patch again - a patch with only the new raid being a new "zone" while something else is re-used.

    The reason I think this is because they were already working on 9.2 the moment 9.1 PTR went out (at least I hope). I'm talking about art and story design team who must have already finished the plans for 9.2 and are already working on 9.3 designs. I don't know how it works, but before they made 6.2 back in WoD, they must have decided that it's the last patch for the expansion before they started working on it so they wanted to make sure the story plays out like that. In this case, if they decided to make 9.2 the last patch, they must have made that decision a few months ago, not recently.

  6. #4846
    Quote Originally Posted by Squiddo69 View Post
    There were no systems such as those when DHs were introduced. At most they had to give Nefarian a special interaction with them. Now they would have to give the new class a class hall and new covenant spells, otherwise it wouldn't be "Blizzard quality" or what's left of it.

    It'd very naive to not expect some if not a lot of people to revisit Legion/BfA/Shadowlands with a new class, and if and when they do then it's going to feel raw and unfinished if a lot of the expansion's elements are missing.
    None of that is too hard to do. For the covenent spells, you could just create a generic set of spells for the new classes, similar to how the new Horde races get generic quest text/images during the Lorewalker Cho intro quest chain. It might not be exciting, but Blizz doesn't tend to go back and do massive updates to old content as is.

    I imagine that most Legion Order Halls would be set up in either whatever the starting zone for the new class would be, or it could just be a generic one set up in Dalaran just for new classes with a smaller/easier storyline. The spec Artifact Weapons would be a great way to build out the lore of a new class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    They basically gave Blizzard leadership to people outside Blizzard. Acti must be really paranoid with who was involved or ignored harassment. Or everyone with executive position was ignoring it...
    Nah more likely they're laying the groundwork for Activision to fully absorb Blizzard.


    Though now we return to the question for WoW this entire last month. "Is it too costly to maintain for Activision?" With Activision guys now in the big chair WoW's "legacy" probably isn't their concern, it's money.

    I still think we're headed to surprise maintenance mode with 10.0.
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  8. #4848
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Nah more likely they're laying the groundwork for Activision to fully absorb Blizzard.


    Though now we return to the question for WoW this entire last month. "Is it too costly to maintain for Activision?" With Activision guys now in the big chair WoW's "legacy" probably isn't their concern, it's money.

    I still think we're headed to surprise maintenance mode with 10.0.
    WoW is still printing money. Selling a couple million copies every 2 years on top of subscriptions and premium services for minimum investment makes it profitable as far as AAA games go. It might not be a CoD or mobile fortnite, but it's up there with the biggest franchises otherwise. If the quality will drop even further though.. that remains to be seen. I would expect the current trajectory to hold tbh.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

  9. #4849
    I'm pretty sure WoW still brings in a good amount of money. If anything they may add more ways to squeeze money from it, rather than take it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    WoW is still printing money. Selling a couple million copies every 2 years on top of subscriptions and premium services for minimum investment makes it profitable as far as AAA games go. It might not be a CoD or mobile fortnite, but it's up there with the biggest franchises otherwise. If the quality will drop even further though.. that remains to be seen. I would expect the current trajectory to hold tbh.
    It brings in money but it's bleeding out fast between the Lawsuit and FF14's sudden (almost BC-into-Wrath-like) rise.

    The team needs to be burned down and replaced, the game needs a major back and front-end overhaul to basically every aspect, is the investment worth the upswing? Or would it be better to just let WoW drift into oblivion?

    With more Activision sway on Blizzard now I am by no means confident the answer is the former.
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  11. #4851
    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    None of that is too hard to do. For the covenent spells, you could just create a generic set of spells for the new classes, similar to how the new Horde races get generic quest text/images during the Lorewalker Cho intro quest chain. It might not be exciting, but Blizz doesn't tend to go back and do massive updates to old content as is.
    Do you honestly expect to keep your covenant spells?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    It brings in money but it's bleeding out fast between the Lawsuit and FF14's sudden (almost BC-into-Wrath-like) rise.

    The team needs to be burned down and replaced, the game needs a major back and front-end overhaul to basically every aspect, is the investment worth the upswing? Or would it be better to just let WoW drift into oblivion?

    With more Activision sway on Blizzard now I am by no means confident the answer is the former.
    Nah, the game just needs another direction. That has happened often enough with just an expansion launch. Also you assume Blizzard's new leadership will be able to recognize that flaws of the game, that is something that they need to prove first.

    The groundfloor devs also don't need replacing. It's just the people that chart the course in story and gameplay.
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    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

  12. #4852
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I'm pretty sure WoW still brings in a good amount of money. If anything they may add more ways to squeeze money from it, rather than take it down.
    I know I repeat this many times, but BfA broke WoW sales record and SL even more, PC games record (they didn't hold it long, but still). "Still bring good amount of money" is... how to call this.. "understatement".

    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Do you honestly expect to keep your covenant spells?
    Some more popular ones sure, why not. It's exactly what happened after Legion.

  13. #4853
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Do you honestly expect to keep your covenant spells?
    I'd expect something like with the Heart. You can use them in old Content, but not in the following expansions.

  14. #4854
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Some more popular ones sure, why not. It's exactly what happened after Legion.
    I mean as actual covenant abilities, not as hand-me-downs.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

  15. #4855
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    Yeah a pattern of low effort that is propelled by compliancy and acceptances by the player base
    Statements like this are proof positive why players more often than not make terrible designers/writers.
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  16. #4856
    So, MAUs are down again compared to last quarter, although they’ve been heavily boosted by TBC Classic launch as the report suggests. No words about Shadowlands at all, which isn’t surprising by how bad it’s received and performing.

    An interesting line is:

    Blizzard’s launch of Burning CrusadeTM Classic in June marked the start of what is intended to be a very significant 18-month period for content releases.

    Very significant 18-month period of content releases. What does this mean? Is it about the phases TBC Classic is rolling out? Or does it contain retail releases as well? This could indicate that the next retail expansion is coming within the next 18 months which puts it into Q4/2022 release territory. 18 months from TBC launch brings us to November 2022, which would be the 2 year mark for Shadowlands. But that’s just a guess.
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  17. #4857
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    So, MAUs are down again compared to last quarter, although they’ve been heavily boosted by TBC Classic launch as the report suggests. No words about Shadowlands at all, which isn’t surprising by how bad it’s received and performing.

    An interesting line is:

    Blizzard’s launch of Burning CrusadeTM Classic in June marked the start of what is intended to be a very significant 18-month period for content releases.

    Very significant 18-month period of content releases. What does this mean? Is it about the phases TBC Classic is rolling out? Or does it contain retail releases as well? This could indicate that the next retail expansion is coming within the next 18 months which puts it into Q4/2022 release territory. 18 months from TBC launch brings us to November 2022, which would be the 2 year mark for Shadowlands. But that’s just a guess.
    Remember that these statements are intended for shareholders, not players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    So, MAUs are down again compared to last quarter, although they’ve been heavily boosted by TBC Classic launch as the report suggests. No words about Shadowlands at all, which isn’t surprising by how bad it’s received and performing.

    An interesting line is:

    Blizzard’s launch of Burning CrusadeTM Classic in June marked the start of what is intended to be a very significant 18-month period for content releases.

    Very significant 18-month period of content releases. What does this mean? Is it about the phases TBC Classic is rolling out? Or does it contain retail releases as well? This could indicate that the next retail expansion is coming within the next 18 months which puts it into Q4/2022 release territory. 18 months from TBC launch brings us to November 2022, which would be the 2 year mark for Shadowlands. But that’s just a guess.
    Guessing November 2022 is their target for 10.0 honestly.
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    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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  19. #4859
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Remember that these statements are intended for shareholders, not players.
    Sure, but I think we can dissect it a little bit.

    Oh and I am hoping for a 10.0 launch in Q4 next year. Everything later will be… devastating.
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  20. #4860
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Guessing November 2022 is their target for 10.0 honestly.
    I wouldn't expect a whole lot from the end of a "significant period". That rather suggests that there'd be releases during that time, not when it is over.

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