1. #4941
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I've been trying to get my hands on any of the covenant drop mounts since the beginning and have killed the repsective rares daily on 4 characters.. not a single one so far.
    Strange, cause I get all 4 in like 10-15 tries, so I estimated drop must be pretty high.

  2. #4942
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Strange, cause I get all 4 in like 10-15 tries, so I estimated drop must be pretty high.
    Well this is week .. 6? 7? I see them often enough on others, but I certainly can't attest to them dropping that well. Stuff like the shardhide, are fair though. Finding 20 shrooms and you are good to go, that was nice.
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  3. #4943
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Well this is week .. 6? 7? I see them often enough on others, but I certainly can't attest to them dropping that well. Stuff like the shardhide, are fair though. Finding 20 shrooms and you are good to go, that was nice.
    The golden rule of mounts should always be that there should only ever be a single layer of RNG. And with the short respawn of the covenant rares I think it's unquestionable that it's easy to farm it, even on several characters a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Well this is week .. 6? 7? I see them often enough on others, but I certainly can't attest to them dropping that well. Stuff like the shardhide, are fair though. Finding 20 shrooms and you are good to go, that was nice.

    I've been farming those shrooms since the patch launched, i have yet to find a single one of the ones to turn in.

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  5. #4945
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I've been farming those shrooms since the patch launched, i have yet to find a single one of the ones to turn in.
    Are you sure you don't have them already? They look like the useless ones.
    Also the mount drop is supposedly 0.9% according to wowhead..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The golden rule of mounts should always be that there should only ever be a single layer of RNG. And with the short respawn of the covenant rares I think it's unquestionable that it's easy to farm it, even on several characters a day.
    Since you need to be the covenant in question the multiple drop chance thing becomes a bit moot, as I've could only bring myself to have 5 60s so far and with the exception of 2 all of them are in different covenants.
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  6. #4946
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Are you sure you don't have them already? They look like the useless ones.
    Also the mount drop is supposedly 0.9% according to wowhead..

    Since you need to be the covenant in question the multiple drop chance thing becomes a bit moot, as I've could only bring myself to have 5 60s so far and with the exception of 2 all of them are in different covenants.
    I have problems with shrooms as well, have just 1, RNG is just a bitch.

    As for wowhead drop, remember it takes data from all people and you have to be in right covenant to even have chance for drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Are you sure you don't have them already? They look like the useless ones.
    Also the mount drop is supposedly 0.9% according to wowhead..
    Ye, i'm sure.

    I always browse through the items i get once i am done, have yet to find a single tasty shroom.
    The droprate is just abyssmal.
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  8. #4948
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Blizzard did terrible mistake in Shadowlands.. but it was LISTENING to people like Preach.
    Considering he had a discussion with Ion and virtually asked him "when are we doing this" (referring to the "ripcord") - and Blizzard has in fact not done this, it's very dishonest to present it in such a way.

    By the way, the way Blizzard is holding on Conduit energy is almost laughable at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Who told Torghast has amazing gameplay (and in Alpha you climbed like 70 floors, not 5)?
    Yes.
    And then they changed it, not because of feedback from those players but because others were unable to do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Not to mention driving this already crazy community nuts with speculations from ass like 9.0 coming in 2021 (before Covid exploded)
    Considering Blizzard wanted to launch it in mid October and then moved it to mid / late November with Preach presenting his speculation right after the announcement of SL, i think he wasn't too far off.

    Being about 6 weeks off isn't too bad when you consider he made it about 1 year before SL even launched.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    or 9.1 coming "earliest" in August after watching just clips from Blizzconline. I know, I know, many of these falls on people that treat streamers like authority.
    That was Towellie who talked to some Blizzard employees, not Preach.

  9. #4949
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I have problems with shrooms as well, have just 1, RNG is just a bitch.

    As for wowhead drop, remember it takes data from all people and you have to be in right covenant to even have chance for drop.
    Well, looks like I've used my luck with the shardhide. I only found 3 eggs so far on any one character as well. RNG being a bitch, true that.

    As for the mount, even in the worst case it would onyl be like 5 times that and I doubt many other covenants go out of their way to wait for popo or fleshwing unless needed. I mean look at the stygian crusher that drops the venthyr one, that is 1.3% and people surely don't go out of their way to get that one done with the stupid flight involved. I guess the actual drop rate is around 2.0-3.0% all things considered.
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  10. #4950
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Considering he had a discussion with Ion and virtually asked him "when are we doing this" (referring to the "ripcord") - and Blizzard has in fact not done this, it's very dishonest to present it in such a way.

    By the way, the way Blizzard is holding on Conduit energy is almost laughable at this point.

    Yes.
    And then they changed it, not because of feedback from those players but because others were unable to do it.

    Considering Blizzard wanted to launch it in mid October and then moved it to mid / late November with Preach presenting his speculation right after the announcement of SL, i think he wasn't too far off.

    Being about 6 weeks off isn't too bad when you consider he made it about 1 year before SL even launched.

    That was Towellie who talked to some Blizzard employees, not Preach.
    1. Yeah, yeah, you always do that people. Pinpoint small things that fit your opinion and don't see big picture. SL, at least 9.0/S1 is 'raid or die' expac like WoD - difference is it has ton small things you can do for cosmetics/achievements. Removing AP and titanforging, also weekly chest with 6 choices for PVE players is DRASTIC change.

    Also no one said Blizzard listen to every single whine of Preach. It's other way around, he said he's quiting cause he feels Blizzard doesn't listen at all to players like him since BfA launch. Not only it's dishonest about current situation but also glorifies past that had fair share of bugs and stupid mistakes. Thankfully Classic exists and destroy nostalgia for old expacs like icebreaker (you don't hear often "vanilla raids were so hard and you had so much stuff to do" anymore, don't you).

    2. I realized it's pointless to compare these 2, but I just can't imagine people actually enjoying doing 70 floors, where 6 on live was "torture" for some people. But lot of these fall on Blizzard shoulders of course, biggest mistake with Torghast is implementing it as necessary step for progression, I think Mage Tower would be hated as well if we would have to do it weekly for mandatory MAGETOWERPOINTS.

    3. He's puting stupid speculations like he knows something when he has no idea. Then his viewers treat it not even as educated guess, but as truth. SL didn't released in 2021 even with delays caused by work from home (and who knows what, considering what happened last weeks), we know specifically at least about 2, Alpha was supposed to start in March and official delay of course.

    And he was first puting August speculation.

  11. #4951
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    1. Yeah, yeah, you always do that people. Pinpoint small things that fit your opinion and don't see big picture.
    Considering that Covenants have the most discussed feature its announcement, calling it "small things" is downright dishonest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    SL, at least 9.0/S1 is 'raid or die' expac like WoD
    WoD has become such a deadbeat argument.

    If WoD is your benchmark for "Raid or die" as far as character progression is concerned, then virtually any expansion since Wotlk is also Raid or die.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Also no one said Blizzard listen to every single whine of Preach.
    Your entire post basically reads as "They listened to him and now he's quitting!", so that's flip flopping on your part right there.
    but it was LISTENING to people like Preach.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    It's other way around, he said he's quiting cause he feels Blizzard doesn't listen at all to players like him since BfA launch. Not only it's dishonest about current situation but also glorifies past that had fair share of bugs and stupid mistakes.
    You are comparing apples to oranges.

    Preach outlinied that he's quitting for two reasons
    (1) Blizzard puts unncessary hurdles in the way of people that very much affect people wanting to min/max their characters
    (2) Most recent series of systems by Blizzard ended up very mixed at best (Legiondaries, Azerite, Corruption, Domination Shards, etc..)

    Put these two together and it's obvious to see that forcing people to engage with bad systems makes them quit.

    It's not about glorifying the past, it's pointing out that in the past, we didn't have so many systems that are a nightmare to balance, cause a lot of player frustration and so forth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Thankfully Classic exists and destroy nostalgia for old expacs like icebreaker (you don't hear often "vanilla raids were so hard and you had so much stuff to do" anymore, don't you).
    On the other hand, when a not too insignificant portion of the playerbase seriously prefers a 15 year old version of the same game, over your modern version, despite being seriously flawed in their own right in some aspect, it should give the developer a lot to think about.

    Because that's the sad truth behind the success of Classic and TBC, in a perfect world, only a minority would actually play these games because everyone would still be playing Retail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    2. I realized it's pointless to compare these 2, but I just can't imagine people actually enjoying doing 70 floors, where 6 on live was "torture" for some people.
    Because people could get extremely OP builds, you can't build an extremely OP character within 6 floors that easily.

    It's also the realization that Blizzard felt the urge to make it mandatory on a weekly basis for every single character.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    3. He's puting stupid speculations like he knows something when he has no idea. Then his viewers treat it not even as educated guess, but as truth. SL didn't released in 2021 even with delays caused by work from home (and who knows what, considering what happened last weeks), we know specifically at least about 2, Alpha was supposed to start in March and official delay of course.
    This post makes no sense.
    He said that get a feeling that SL is very early in development, based on the talks he had with the devs at Blizzcon, was surprised to hear based on that that it's still going to launch in 2021.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    And he was first puting August speculation.
    No, it was Towellie.

    https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...-in-june-2021/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Considering that Covenants have the most discussed feature its announcement, calling it "small things" is downright dishonest.
    He could as well ask them to remove LFR. Cov swap restriction was their design choice for the moment. You don't make demands against the current design choice and than go "lol they don't listen".
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  13. #4953
    As I said in some previous post, I'm just tired with this argument. It's so self-evident that SL (especially 9.0) 'chores' outside raids require small fracture of time needed in Legion/BfA, it's literally few hours vs. farming AP every day. Funny that completionists in 9.0 got exact same experience as min-maxers during Legion/BfA with low Anima drops (or rather high prices).

    What it even have to do with covenants? Did covenant choice require raiders (even participating in world first) to create 2+ chars same class like legos did in Legion? Not only meta doesn't change for most specs, but also swaping covenant requires barely more than keeping current afloat and you keep imporant stuff - legos and conduits.

    By the way, thing that just come to my mind - these internet celebs PRAISED Blizzard during Alpha/Beta for listening to players, contrasting it with how devs were deaf during BfA Beta. Of course covenant thing was heated argument, but almost everything else what I already mentioned (no AP grind, no titanforg, PVP vendor, targetable legos) was 'sign of listening to players'. So I don't even need to prove my point, they already did for me.

    And your video is from late march '21. He said it in video just after Blizzcon (month earlier). He wasn't telling he has some secret info like Towellie, it was just bad prediction like when he said SL will launch '21 even before covid thing. But sadly people take this words as gospel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Well, looks like I've used my luck with the shardhide. I only found 3 eggs so far on any one character as well. RNG being a bitch, true that.

    As for the mount, even in the worst case it would onyl be like 5 times that and I doubt many other covenants go out of their way to wait for popo or fleshwing unless needed. I mean look at the stygian crusher that drops the venthyr one, that is 1.3% and people surely don't go out of their way to get that one done with the stupid flight involved. I guess the actual drop rate is around 2.0-3.0% all things considered.
    When I said "reasonable" drop rates I wasn't thinking of 10%, but something like that - 1 or 2% (there is massive difference between 1% and 2% btw, it's 1 in 100 vs. 1 in 50). It's standard for raid mounts you raid weekly, so it's fine for rare you can farm daily and doesn't require clearing instance before (also let's face it, many people farm mounts on more than 1 char).

    Arachnoid that I consider too low drop is something around 1 in 500, also with much longer spawn rate that any Korthia rare. And WoW can get even worse, Pandaria world bosses are 1 in 2000 - and they are weekly, not daily.
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  14. #4954
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    He could as well ask them to remove LFR. Cov swap restriction was their design choice for the moment. You don't make demands against the current design choice and than go "lol they don't listen".
    I think it's a poor comparison because the restriction of covenants isn't on the same level as LFR, not even close.

    Second, it still stands that Blizzard rejected player feedback on that front.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    And your video is from late march '21. He said it in video just after Blizzcon (month earlier). He wasn't telling he has some secret info like Towellie, it was just bad prediction like when he said SL will launch '21 even before covid thing. But sadly people take this words as gospel.
    Because that video was about the 9.1 in august prediction, Preach didn't say shit about 9.1 at Blizzcon because Shadowlands was just announced by that point.

    You seem confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    .Because that video was about the 9.1 in august prediction, Preach didn't say shit about 9.1 at Blizzcon because Shadowlands was just announced by that point.

    You seem confused.
    Do I seriously must spell out to you I meant Blizzconline in February?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I think it's a poor comparison because the restriction of covenants isn't on the same level as LFR, not even close.

    Second, it still stands that Blizzard rejected player feedback on that front.
    And they fulfilled it on different fronts. Feedback is heard, but was never guaranteed to be fulfilled. Again, this time it went against their current design plan.

    Also, as soon as SL launched, all the QQ about Cov swaps died pretty much instantly, as if entire thing was blown waaay out of proportions in the first place. I specifically remember Preach saying that the real problem are Cov abilities, that Venth will be mandatory for M+ skips etc. Nothing like that happened, entire swap thing become an inconvenience at most. Overreaction for the clicks at it's best.
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  17. #4957
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Do I seriously must spell out to you I meant Blizzconline in February?
    You're free to post any videos of Preach saying that 9.1 will happen in August.

    Not the sort of "9.1 will be late", which most people could piece together by them having barely anything to show at Blizzcon, Preach saying "9.1 will be in August".
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And they fulfilled it on different fronts. Feedback is heard, but was never guaranteed to be fulfilled. Again, this time it went against their current design plan.
    Thanks for stating the obvious, doesn't change the fact what i said earlier: Blizzard did not listen to every aspect of player feedback.

    And the feedback was frankly not something that is entirely unreasonable - heck, Ion even hinted at it being possible to implement if necessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Also, as soon as SL launched, all the QQ about Cov swaps died pretty much instantly, as if entire thing was blown waaay out of proportions in the first place.
    I think most people accepted it and now simply dealt with it, that doesn't mean they enjoy it or are fine with it.

    I saw some complaints about covenant swapping with 9.1, because Blizzard rebalanced them and thus changed the BiS covenants for some specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Thanks for stating the obvious, doesn't change the fact what i said earlier: Blizzard did not listen to every aspect of player feedback.

    And the feedback was frankly not something that is entirely unreasonable - heck, Ion even hinted at it being possible to implement if necessary.

    I think most people accepted it and now simply dealt with it, that doesn't mean they enjoy it or are fine with it.

    I saw some complaints about covenant swapping with 9.1, because Blizzard rebalanced them and thus changed the BiS covenants for some specs.
    Seems they didn't deem it necessary. I remember 8.2, when every week players have been making posts/threads/requests about making Essences account wide and to simplify acquisition process, until Blizz fulfilled it. They didn't make those requests about Covs posts release. That's why I deem entire thing to be a pre-launch fake problem.
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  19. #4959
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    You're free to post any videos of Preach saying that 9.1 will happen in August.

    Not the sort of "9.1 will be late", which most people could piece together by them having barely anything to show at Blizzcon, Preach saying "9.1 will be in August".
    Sneaky, now you try to narrow it. All I said Preach put stupid predictions like SL will be 2021 or 9.1 August and later people take them as gospel. And @Makabreska above gave even more examples of stuff like that.

    There you go.

    2'50'' "This patch is long long away. I would expect towards August before we actually see anything."

    So it's even better, he expected PTR in August xD.

  20. #4960
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Sneaky, now you try to narrow it. All I said Preach put stupid predictions like SL will be 2021 or 9.1 August and later people take them as gospel.
    Alright, fair enough, i however did not see a lot of people going around and talking about it Towelie mentioned it in his stream a month later, it was also then picked up by news sites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    If you set up timestamps, at least make sure they also capture the part of the video you want to link, that timestamp literally starts right after Preach said the quote you mentioned.

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