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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    If a Human can learn to bring Hellfire down on his their enemies why would they choose to train how to roundhouse kick them in the face instead?
    You keep comparing apples to oranges.

    A Dracthyr is a draconic super-soldier engineered by Neltharion that inherently hold the powers of each dragonflight in them.
    'Evoker' is just the description of their inherent power.

    A human can't just pick up a spellbook and become a warlock or mage, that requires an interest in an extensive magical scholarship, some intellect and years of studying.
    Not everyone can nor wants to become a mage or warlock.

    Dracthyr being other classes would require them to not use their inherent dragon powers.
    Which makes no damn sense.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    Im starting to think those people are trying to bait others
    yea.. and honestly the same argument can be made for other visages, such as orc, gnome what ever.
    Horns are glued on anyway, so whats the deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

    They remove one basic feature and turn it into a new feature that's less of the original one - but hey wait, to get better in that, you need to farm and grind stuff.

    Peak lazy design.

    I don't hate Dragonriding. I think it's a neat idea. But it's the same they did with other features in the past, stripping them away from the players just to hand them back in another fashion as some kind of new feature.
    But its not "Power" tho. And I bet your ass that they will keep it in some form, just like how island expeditions eventually became torghast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.
    Because Dragonriding as it has been described so far does not have an impact on combat power in dungeons/raids/PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.
    Except it's missing the power part. And we've "lost" flying at the start of every expansion since WoD, so that's hardly new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.
    Borrowed power affects player power and progression.
    Hence why it's called borrowed "power".

    Dragonriding is an overhauled travel system (or rather overhauled flying), which has no effect on how hard you hit things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    But its not "Power" tho. And I bet your ass that they will keep it in some form, just like how island expeditions eventually became torghast
    Honestly, i hope they just replace regular flying entirely with it. Old flying hurts the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

    They remove one basic feature and turn it into a new feature that's less of the original one - but hey wait, to get better in that, you need to farm and grind stuff.

    Peak lazy design.

    I don't hate Dragonriding. I think it's a neat idea. But it's the same they did with other features in the past, stripping them away from the players just to hand them back in another fashion as some kind of new feature.
    ???

    Changed flying model is a player power now? It boosts your output? C'mon dude, this "borrowed power" buzzword misuse is getting ridiculous.

    Besides, we do have borrowed power in Dragnoflight - tier sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

    They remove one basic feature and turn it into a new feature that's less of the original one - but hey wait, to get better in that, you need to farm and grind stuff.

    Peak lazy design.

    I don't hate Dragonriding. I think it's a neat idea. But it's the same they did with other features in the past, stripping them away from the players just to hand them back in another fashion as some kind of new feature.
    In addition to the points others have made (that this system doesn not affect player power, combat power), we have no indication that this system will only last this expansion. They took this from guild wars 2 and they have keept each of their mounts working in subsequent expansions as far as I know.

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    I'm surprised there hasn't been any dev questions about if the Dragonriding Drake/Dragon can be used as a Typical Flying Mount outside of the Dragon Isles once saved.

    So far seems like the system should be neat assuming we can keep and use the Dragonriding Mounts outside of the Dragonridng Mechanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elderu View Post
    I'm surprised there hasn't been any dev questions about if the Dragonriding Drake/Dragon can be used as a Typical Flying Mount outside of the Dragon Isles once saved.

    So far seems like the system should be neat assuming we can keep and use the Dragonriding Mounts outside of the Dragonridng Mechanic.
    You mean if the drake/dragon from the system will be a flying mount outside the dragon isles? probably, there is no reason to believe otherwise

    Unless they expect us to finish some quests or milestone until possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by elderu View Post
    I'm surprised there hasn't been any dev questions about if the Dragonriding Drake/Dragon can be used as a Typical Flying Mount outside of the Dragon Isles once saved.
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    Don't know if this was brought up but:
    https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcra...tory-factions/
    World of Warcraft: Dragonflight will be a deeper dive into draconic lore than any previous content in WoW. Feasel teased several mysteries that may be uncovered during the story, including the origin of the Emerald Dream and the nature of the timeways of the bronze dragonflight. He also hinted that, in addition to learning about the origin of the new playable drakthyr race, players could expect to learn more about other draconic creatures, like dragonspawn and drakonids.
    The draconic politics will extend beyond just the five dragonflights and the Primalists, however. Feasel made mention of the other types of dragons players have encountered over the years, such as the twilight dragonflight, the stone drakes of Deepholm, and the storm drakes of the Broken Isles, and that some of these groups may hold resentment over not being included in the main dragonflights. Players should expect these flights–and perhaps others, like the netherwing dragonflight from Burning Crusade — to be involved in the drama of the Dragon Isles as well.
    More lore for other Dragonkin.
    Lots of dragon politics including older broods like the Netherwing.

    Origins of the ED, explains why Tyrande's supposedly involved again.
    Maybe (hopefully) they'll finally let Freya do something this time.



  14. #53974
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    You keep comparing apples to oranges.

    A Dracthyr is a draconic super-soldier engineered by Neltharion that inherently hold the powers of each dragonflight in them.
    'Evoker' is just the description of their inherent power.

    A human can't just pick up a spellbook and become a warlock or mage, that requires an interest in an extensive magical scholarship, some intellect and years of studying.
    Not everyone can nor wants to become a mage or warlock.

    Dracthyr being other classes would require them to not use their inherent dragon powers.
    Which makes no damn sense.
    Blizz already said they're open to more dracthyr classes. A drac could just forgo their evoker abilities and still have their latent racial attributes present so they can pursue another class.

    Think of it like an LFD warrior.

    Really not a fan of evokers essentially being super OP racial abilities for drac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Don't know if this was brought up but:
    https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcra...tory-factions/



    More lore for other Dragonkin.
    Lots of dragon politics including older broods like the Netherwing.

    Origins of the ED, explains why Tyrande's supposedly involved again.
    Maybe (hopefully) they'll finally let Freya do something this time.
    I believe it all be as bad as the last 2 expansions, and, with lots of retcons(just like the dracthyr race itself is one) so im not holding my breath about it.

    I don't know what the fuck the netherwing will be doing there since they are set in outland, guess we will find out they were here all along

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyzma View Post
    I am in total agreement with you. Maybe in the future....maybe....Blizzard will let other classes be dragons...but to me it makes no sense. I mean...I have mained a tauren hunter since Vanilla. How derpy would it look for her to come flying in, land, turn into some massive (because they are a lot bigger than humanoid classes) dragon and then pull out a bow/gun and start pew pewing? Is that what people want? Or to start shooting fire and magic? I don't get it. Leave it be. And I admire your patience in trying to get through peoples heads, but it doesn't seem to be working
    We do what we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    If the drachtyr are failed experiments of Neltharion we can safely say some are such weak that they can't be evoker and have to be other classes
    If they're weak, they're not going to be adventurers.

    Keep in mind, an Evoker isn't a class that they choose to be, Evoker is what they are. It is as much as a race as it is a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If they're weak, they're not going to be adventurers.
    Says who? they can be weak with magic and strong in physical strength,put your dragon build to good use.

    Keep in mind, an Evoker isn't a class that they choose to be, Evoker is what they are. It is as much as a race as it is a class.
    We already understand that they are selling demon hunter 2.0 as a race, you don't need to keep reminding us of how bad it is.
    Last edited by Syegfryed; 2022-04-22 at 05:13 PM.

  18. #53978
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Honestly, i hope they just replace regular flying entirely with it. Old flying hurts the game.
    True that would be amazing. But they'd have to make those animations for all existing mounts. I don't see them doing it unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

    They remove one basic feature and turn it into a new feature that's less of the original one - but hey wait, to get better in that, you need to farm and grind stuff.

    Peak lazy design.

    I don't hate Dragonriding. I think it's a neat idea. But it's the same they did with other features in the past, stripping them away from the players just to hand them back in another fashion as some kind of new feature.
    this guy gets it.

  20. #53980
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Yeah, it might be copium, but I'm hoping they increase wows budget. We wont see the effects of it until 11.0 or maybe not until 12.0, but we can hope.

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    I meant Thornygos btw. Idk how I missed the n.

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    Yeah it looks like a monk and ninja mixed. Might look derpy on a fat panda though.
    I’m glad that I have the stone hidden artifact appearance because it fits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, that Monk set is bad ass, NGL.

    Anyway, it looks like we're going to be waiting for some more info. I really want to see the new abilities and talents for the new class and the existing classes.
    Ion is wanting to get that out before testing so they know what we want

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