1. #5481
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Thank you for compiling this sheet (or whoever did it), I shall take those parameters into consideration when reading future leaks.

    For example, if a leak says the next expansion will simultaneously have:

    - Tinkers
    - World Revamp
    - Player Housing/Guild Halls

    I shall know that the leak is fake...
    Thanks, though I wish I could take credit for this work. This was compiled by another user here named ercarp, I just bookmarked it two years ago thinking "this will be useful in the leadup to the next expansion" as so many people went to a lot of these leaks and went "This is it! This is the one!" and so forth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    lol
    Someone actually made this sheet
    BTW
    There were genuine mentions of next expansions in game files, like gear on wowhead, I remember some Suramar named gear on wowhead, before Legion.
    If I remember correctly this kind of thing happened during other expansions and someone even made thread about it.
    Oh I know there's legit things that slip through. I remember the worgen and goblin "masks", for example. But there's a difference between things actually found in files like that and all these BS leaks.

    And there are sometimes legit leaks well ahead of Blizzcon or reveals. There was a guy on the Scrolls of Lore forum who had a friend who worked in China leak WoD like a week ahead of the reveal. Last I heard that guy got fired for it, too.

  2. #5482
    Skimming those brought up some memories...

    This one is still my favourite:

    Someone I was dating let a few things spill, specifically about the starting experience. I lost access to my source a few months ago, but this is what she let slip to me:

    Name: Hadn’t been decided last I chatted. Twilight of the Dragonflights was a contender, but it is definitely too wordy.

    The squish is real. We’re going down to 50, capping at 60. No lore reason, purely mechanical.

    Story is focused on the Dragon Isles and the race to exploit the power of a malfunctioning Titan facility. Wrathion found them on the “other” side of Azeroth. The twist is, they’re floating islands and only those imbued with draconic (ie. Titan life signs) power can find their way to them. But somehow Sylvanas found her way there so we need to follow. She wants to use the facility to open the way to the Shadowlands. (My own speculation is that she is able to get there due to her deal with Helya, and I’m assuming the new DK zone will have Death Knights fending her off from the Frozen Throne, necessitating her need for another entry point).

    Intro takes us to the Twilight Highlands. Horde consults with the Dragonmaw Orcs led by Gorfax Angerfang. They know a thing or two about playing with draconic power. The Alliance spy with Shaw with Falstad of the Wildhammers as his escort. Nathanos and a few loyalists ambushes the Horde (didn’t ask how loyalist players factor in), the Alliance jump in to assist, and ultimately Alexstrasza intervenes, and assists by imbuing us with her power. The dragons give us the last of their power in the hopes that Wrathion can restore them all.

    This is the new AP, Draconic Power. Unfortunate abbreviation.

    New class is Dragonsworn. 5 specs. The original plan was to give every class a dragon-themed spec unlocked at the start of this content, but it was difficult to create unique specs for all 12. I didn’t get details on which specs do what, only that they align to the flights.

    We also find a clutch of unhatched Chromatic dragons Nefarian had secreted away to Grim Batol. They bond with us and become a mount. Similarly to Legion artifact appearances, we can choose different colours, wings, faces, ornaments, etc. based on the content we do. Also thankfully, dragons are getting a model and animation revamp after 15 years.

    Oh, and those Wildhammer Dwarves and Dragonmaw Orcs? Allied races at launch. Dragonspawn or Drakonids to come later as a neutral. Apparently they wanted to test the waters on community acceptance of limiting transmog options before developing dragonspawn. I assume this was mechagnomes. And since Diaperbaby is a thing, I’m guessing they’re going with drakonids.

    I think I touched on everything we chatted about. Oh! No pathfinder. There was also something about flying mounted combat, but it’s mini game based with your effectiveness determined by your Draconic Power. Used for a few quests, and talks of it being used in PvP where it grounds the both of you, giving the winner a combat buff. With Warmode optional, they’re more open to exploring this.

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    They really have to give newcomers access to chromie time and stop restricting dungeon selection in the dungeon finder.

    Seriously, just get rid of the restriction.
    Add a few quests after finishing Exiles Reach that explain what chromie time is, then let them choose an expansion that they are interested in and let them go ham.

    The current system is not only overly restrictive, it literally does not work.

    1)it does not "let them catch up on story" because the lvling campaigns in BfA have no bearing on the most recent expansion events.
    Lvling in Zuldazar or Tiragarde will not give anyone any context as to what is happening in the Shadowlands, the context is only available through the mid-to-end of the war campaign, which most people simply won't get to do.

    At most, Drustvar and Nazmir slightly foreshadow some story elements in Ardenweald, but that's it.

    2) People are often bored from being stuck in the same 3 zones for 50 whole lvls, so they go around lvling in other zones anyway.
    Which they then can't properly experience because scaling itself is more restricted (as they lack chromie time) and they won't have access to the other expansions LFD.

    Or they just miss the BfA introduction completely, because Blizzards pop-up quests still are absolute shit apparently.


    I had to explain to so many damn people what Blizzards (shitty) intended lvling path is, if i got a penny for each time that happened i'd be richer than Bezos.

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  4. #5484
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I had to explain to so many damn people what Blizzards (shitty) intended lvling path is, if i got a penny for each time that happened i'd be richer than Bezos.
    Out of curiosity, did you explain that to people who just wanted to level an alt? Because if you actually found that many completely new players I'd be interested how you do that..
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  5. #5485
    I think it's high time they gave the transmogrification system a huge upgrade. I think it's time for a true armor dye system to make it into the game and create absolutely insane customization to armor possible, with full color customization. Just as well, do the same thing with gloves and boots that you did with shoulders, and make each hand and foot able to be separately transmogged.

    That by itself would be an enormous casual boost. I know I'd resub again just to farm old raids to see what crazy mogs I could come up with.

  6. #5486
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    I think it's high time they gave the transmogrification system a huge upgrade. I think it's time for a true armor dye system to make it into the game and create absolutely insane customization to armor possible, with full color customization. Just as well, do the same thing with gloves and boots that you did with shoulders, and make each hand and foot able to be separately transmogged.

    That by itself would be an enormous casual boost. I know I'd resub again just to farm old raids to see what crazy mogs I could come up with.
    Tinting gear is not really going to work. For one it would require either redoing all old gear to not make tintng old gear abhorrent, and secondly it would make the current reward system of different gear tints mostly pointless. It would be beneficial for the few time we get a single armor tint, and it would make transmog farming mostly pointless when we get several.

    Separate transmogs for gloves and boots should be a thing though. And for that matter allowing left and right side gear to be swapped freely.

    What I think will be good though is the ability to transmog any gear. Just not allowing everyone to gather all gear types. That would organically give reasons to have alts, and also quadruple transmog options, and by extension farming opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Out of curiosity, did you explain that to people who just wanted to level an alt? Because if you actually found that many completely new players I'd be interested how you do that..
    Newcomer chat has a steady stream of new players.
    Mostly they just don't know how to use the /wave command, but sometimes they are curious about all the other zones they see on the map that they don't get to visit easily.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Out of curiosity, did you explain that to people who just wanted to level an alt? Because if you actually found that many completely new players I'd be interested how you do that..
    I'm a guide, i have access to newcomer chat.

    No, i'm not talking about people lvling alts, but new players lvling their first character.
    By the time they get to focus on lvling an alt, they'd have already gotten rid of their newcomer status.

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  8. #5488
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I'm a guide, i have access to newcomer chat.

    No, i'm not talking about people lvling alts, but new players lvling their first character.
    By the time they get to focus on lvling an alt, they'd have already gotten rid of their newcomer status.
    Ah I completely forgot that thing exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    I think it's high time they gave the transmogrification system a huge upgrade. I think it's time for a true armor dye system to make it into the game and create absolutely insane customization to armor possible, with full color customization. Just as well, do the same thing with gloves and boots that you did with shoulders, and make each hand and foot able to be separately transmogged.

    That by itself would be an enormous casual boost. I know I'd resub again just to farm old raids to see what crazy mogs I could come up with.
    I doubt they are going to do that.. it's yet again more data they need to transmit with each frame and it would completely ruin their raid difficulty incentives right now. So it's alot of work that actively causes them even more work by having to find a new solution to differentiating gear. In general many ideas actively require Blizzard to suddenly put in more work, which imho seems a bit illusoric, it's more realistic to hope for them to manage their resources better instead.
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  9. #5489
    Could they do an episodic-style World Revamp? Where 10.0 and 11.0 both take place on Azeroth and they use those 4 years in total over 2 expansion cycles to revamp and refresh all of the zones in EK & Kalimdor. They've never done a two-part expansion before, maybe it could work? There's a lot of story material to death with. Lightbound threat, Dragon Isles & Aspects, possibly Galakrond resurrection somehow tied to the byproduct of the Shadowlands' destruction maybe? Also the rebirth of the Prime Titan Azeroth in 11.0, maybe. Lots of material to work with.

    Say, for example, in 10.0 we have 3 zones revamped in EK & 3 in Kalimdor. Then in 10.1, we get a zone revamped each in Kalimdor & EK again, then another 2 revamped in 9.2, etc.

    And the storyline completely follows each revamp and has us trekking back into each zone as they are revamped and the story unfolds.

  10. #5490
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Could they do an episodic-style World Revamp? Where 10.0 and 11.0 both take place on Azeroth and they use those 4 years in total over 2 expansion cycles to revamp and refresh all of the zones in EK & Kalimdor. They've never done a two-part expansion before, maybe it could work? There's a lot of story material to death with. Lightbound threat, Dragon Isles & Aspects, possibly Galakrond resurrection somehow tied to the byproduct of the Shadowlands' destruction maybe? Also the rebirth of the Prime Titan Azeroth in 11.0, maybe. Lots of material to work with.

    Say, for example, in 10.0 we have 3 zones revamped in EK & 3 in Kalimdor. Then in 10.1, we get a zone revamped each in Kalimdor & EK again, then another 2 revamped in 9.2, etc.

    And the storyline completely follows each revamp and has us trekking back into each zone as they are revamped and the story unfolds.
    I would say it’s POSSIBLE: EK is decidedly getting built up with Turalyon, Lothraxion, the Scarlets and Calia. SMC could be the horde hub as well as whatever area of Lordaeron Forsaken get. There is very little foreshadowing of Kalimdor plots aside from Azshara existing and some elemental stuff which could happen on both sides.

    However I think Nelf players may commit ritual suicide if their stuff doesn’t come in until 11.0. I think it’s much more likely both continents happen at the same time: after all, even if it’s only Light themed (unlikely) the Lightbound could attack Velen.

    I think it’s just not very obvious what the Void plot of the expansion will be. I’m going to assume it’s Xal and Azshara working together and that’s how we’re going to finally get Azshara vs Tyrande (with Azshara being the ultimate Kalimdor threat that Horde plus Nelves have to fight off). Magatha could also get involved.

    Also doing both Light and Void at the same time will help fight off fatigue of singular cosmic force theming.
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  11. #5491
    Any predictions out there on when we'll get a 10.0 announcement? Obviously, it isn't going to be Blizzcon... anyone aware of upcoming expos that Blizzard might feature in, during the proper timeframe?

  12. #5492
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Any predictions out there on when we'll get a 10.0 announcement? Obviously, it isn't going to be Blizzcon... anyone aware of upcoming expos that Blizzard might feature in, during the proper timeframe?
    If 9.2 hits before the next blizzconline I wouldn't be suprised to see at least a first reveal for 10.0.
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  13. #5493
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Any predictions out there on when we'll get a 10.0 announcement? Obviously, it isn't going to be Blizzcon... anyone aware of upcoming expos that Blizzard might feature in, during the proper timeframe?
    Pax West is Sep 3-6th, EGX is Oct 7-10th, and DreamHack Atlanta is Nov 12-14th. Could be one of those?

    Honestly, they might just do a fully online 1 hour stream event from the comfort of Blizz HQ to unveil the expansion and talk about it a little. Then promise more details at Blizzconline in Feb. If I were to drum up a guess on how I think it'd go, I'd say:

    Late November 2021: Do a 1-hour reveal stream of 9.1.5 and then the 10.0 expansion, talk about it a bit, then encourage people to start talking and discussing it in the community, in the meantime tell them to enjoy the coming holidays and strap in for the Feb 2022 Blizzconline.

    Jan 2022: Release 9.1.5 shortly after the holiday break.

    Feb 2022: Blizzconline. Announce 9.2 and talk about it and the 10.0 expansion and how they tie in together lore-wise and all that jazz. Talk about the new gameplay systems, etc.

    April 2022: Release 9.2

    June 2022: 10.0 alpha/beta begins.
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  14. #5494
    You seem to think they can just pull expansion out of blue right now cause you're bored with current one. If anything, they should take their time and think more what even 10.0 should be, this time community give almost ZERO constructive feedback about what they don't like in SL. Between SL and BfA they at least knew they had to make change X and Y.

    Not to mention how early 10.0 production must be with all delays. This isn't Legion situation when WoD was abandoned even before launch (and they were rumors it was designed as 1 years expac + Legion during early production was planned as sequel of MoP, not WoD).

    Another observation, imo main thing why Legion launch was so awesome (despite that it was objectively filled with more problems than SL) was that most of us took long break from WoW at the same time. Since then many people just played almost non stop, especially youtubers that sadly has big infleunce on community.

  15. #5495
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Pax West is Sep 3-6th, EGX is Oct 7-10th, and DreamHack Atlanta is Nov 12-14th. Could be one of those?

    Honestly, they might just do a fully online 1 hour stream event from the comfort of Blizz HQ to unveil the expansion and talk about it a little. Then promise more details at Blizzconline in Feb. If I were to drum up a guess on how I think it'd go, I'd say:

    Late November 2021: Do a 1-hour reveal stream of 9.1.5 and then the 10.0 expansion, talk about it a bit, then encourage people to start talking and discussing it in the community, in the meantime tell them to enjoy the coming holidays and strap in for the Feb 2022 Blizzconline.

    Jan 2022: Release 9.1.5 shortly after the holiday break.

    Feb 2022: Blizzconline. Announce 9.2 and talk about it and the 10.0 expansion and how they tie in together lore-wise and all that jazz. Talk about the new gameplay systems, etc.

    April 2022: Release 9.2

    June 2022: 10.0 alpha/beta begins.
    9.1.5 is not a major patch you can't delay that patch like if was a major patch, and you can't have a full year between 9.1 and 9.2 that is death for the expansion, the 9.1 was delayed like 1-2 month more than usual and the backslash of the community was hard, think what can be happen if you delay a whole year course.

  16. #5496
    I like you're line of thinking, but I still fully expect to get a .3 patch, if for no other reason than Ion's stubbornness. To skip .3 would be to admit some degree of failure, and I think he'd much prefer to put out some barebones ill-conceived content and pretend its fantastic than the alternative.

  17. #5497
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    I like you're line of thinking, but I still fully expect to get a .3 patch, if for no other reason than Ion's stubbornness. To skip .3 would be to admit some degree of failure, and I think he'd much prefer to put out some barebones ill-conceived content and pretend its fantastic than the alternative.
    I think that assumes that sort of thing is in Ion's hands rather than his executive superiors. I really want to see more of Jen O'neal and Mike Ybarra soon. I want to see who they are and what they care about.

  18. #5498
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    I like you're line of thinking, but I still fully expect to get a .3 patch, if for no other reason than Ion's stubbornness. To skip .3 would be to admit some degree of failure, and I think he'd much prefer to put out some barebones ill-conceived content and pretend its fantastic than the alternative.
    I doubt they will put in extra resources to elongate the expansion more than neccessary. Besides the story is at a point where whatever side adventure they may have had planned in the beginning could easily be cut down and we go straight for the BBEG. The pieces are in place, 9.1 hastily wrapped up all plot hooks that were left with the exception of the nathrezim and the bdsm clown.

    More than half their projects are practically stuck in development hell right now, they need to get something out and I don't even expect 10.0 before the very end of 2021 at earliest. I'd sooner expect them to half-ass 9.2 again before they drag 10.0 out into mid to late 2022.
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  19. #5499
    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I doubt they will put in extra resources to elongate the expansion more than neccessary. Besides the story is at a point where whatever side adventure they may have had planned in the beginning could easily be cut down and we go straight for the BBEG. The pieces are in place, 9.1 hastily wrapped up all plot hooks that were left with the exception of the nathrezim and the bdsm clown.
    Don't get me wrong - I don't think we'll see any "extra" resources. I just believe that they'll divvy up the content to adhere to the established formula, regardless of the actual quality or quantity of content being released. Maybe we'll get another S.E.L.F.I.E. camera patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    I think that assumes that sort of thing is in Ion's hands rather than his executive superiors. I really want to see more of Jen O'neal and Mike Ybarra soon. I want to see who they are and what they care about.
    I want to see where their heads are at, too, but given WoW's development cycle, that's going to be years away. Unless they do something drastic, which I doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Maybe we'll get another S.E.L.F.I.E. camera patch.
    I doubt wow could handle the outrage produced by such a patch right now.

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