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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I wonder why they even put this blue post this week if no PTR followed. Maybe they're checking community reaction and pick couple more customizations that could still be implemented in final builds of 9.1.5 PTR?
    I'm quite sure we will get an announcement for 9.1.5. next week ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    I wonder why they even put this blue post this week if no PTR followed. Maybe they're checking community reaction and pick couple more customizations that could still be implemented in final builds of 9.1.5 PTR?
    They could be attempting to tide players over while they get something slightly more impressive together for a 9.1.5 reveal.

    Just a blue post containing bare-minimum stuff like "Return of Brawler's guild" and "Sylvanas questline", isnt nearly as exciting as one with pictures and choice words regarding the actual content.
    Could for instance be that they intend to announce more heritage armor stuff, but doesnt want the reveal to be "Nelf and Forsaken Heritage armor" with some concept art underneath, and would rather get a firm grasp on what the heritage questline will be, and how the armor looks in-game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperfox View Post
    SL is the first expansion which has given me the impression that it was created solely for the benefit of the shareholders, whereas the other ones were created to make the shareholders happy by making the customers/players happy. Most of this pre-dates the lawsuit and all the recent turmoil.
    I wouldnt go that far. Each expansion feels artificial in some way or another. In WoD that feeling came across in how clearly unfinished the expansion was, and in Legion the multitude of poorly thought out systems made it seem more like the developers were throwing stuff at the wall rather than having a clear vision.

    SL has made several strides in good directions, I just think the thinks the expansion does bad are things the game doesnt usually fail so spectacularly. Things like making players engaged in the characters, or interested in running around looking at stuff.
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  3. #5703
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    I'm fairly sure they wouldn't have bothered with Teldrassil/Undercity getting nuked if they weren't planning on changing up those races and their capitals.

    Considering it's fairly likely 10.0 will be a new story not connected heavily to a previous one like BFA - SL I can see new Forsaken quests fitting into the 10-60 leveling range. I can't see Blizzard making new players go through BFA or SL, hence why it's very possible we will have new EK/Kalimdor quests for leveling.
    I think they just nuked them for the shock factor and they have no plans to actually address them being homeless, unless they can do it cheaply on the side. In the same vein I very much doubt they do no want to keep the BfA and SL experience around. I'm not sure if they planned to keep BfA as the start, since it shows off the faction stuff a bit, or if they always planned to make the previous expansion the leveling content, though I'm fairly certain they will try to keep everything at 60 for max level. Since SL is so far out there I doubt they will go with the later though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    And yet, he still looks like Calia. They are different from the playable Forsaken, as they use the Human skeletal rig. Therefore, they are a perfect Forsaken allied race (which, were missing from BfA).
    Derek looks nothing like calia, other than he is a human. Calina is in pristine condition with light filled eyes etc, Derek is a rotting human from the bottom of the sea (which was bogus obviously, given how long he was down there...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    But now that we are in the SL, we should be experiencing the same thing Jaina did.

    I don't think we're going to have a huge timeskip but a year or two passing makes sense.
    It's the opposite still, we experience a year, the others don't, for people in OG/SW only weeks might have passed.
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    I think the new options do not come because the subs dropped, but because the management changed.
    I really think that it is GOOD that the old people are gone. I am pretty sure Ion was the last one to be convinced that more options for VEs are good.
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    Many things created current situation:

    1) SL, at least compared to Legion/BfA is big shift from grind to raid log, which is always bad idea (but maybe it must happen every few expacs). Overall both BfA and SL take away more and more crazy stuff invented by Legion - but many of this crazy stuff were keeping people in game, even if they complained.

    Also, after they took all grind from Legion-like systems, all that is left is a shell, so no wonder many people feel systems in general are pointless. Renown/soulbinds almost fall from the sky, artifact was earned (at least on main).

    2) Covid + all possible reasons that delayed launch and especially patches.

    3) Too much focus on Sylvanas and taking away from players opportunity to kill her.

    4) Lawsuit (duh).

    5) Most funny thing - no content droughts similar to MoPs or WoDs. Even during longest one - from 8.3 to 9.0 - there was some Classic content + Blizzard manage this period very well with various buffs and changes to 8.3 + lockdown keep people in game. Last big break taken by many players (+ content creators, that have huge part in shaping general opinion) was 6.2->7.0. It's not coincidence so many have great memories from Legion launch.

    I don't see anything that is caused by shareholders/Activision with exception of one thing - timing. SL should be delayed to let's say March 2021, so devs would similar progress with patches like during Legion. It would solve both 2) and maybe 5) problems. But still general design of SL and story would stay.

    By the way, lawsuit explain why TBC was so rushed. I bet they either wanted push things ASAP or some negotiations with Cali took place.

  6. #5706
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Why does every Horde race suddenly need to be upright? What is next if Forsaken get it? Upright Trolls? Upright Tauren?

    Making them stand upright would remove part of their visual identity. Forsaken are literally zombies, you don't usually see those standing upright.
    Tbh you don’t see them at all lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Tbh you don’t see them at all lol
    Shush, logic isnt taken well to 'round these parts.
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  8. #5708
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    I think the new options do not come because the subs dropped, but because the management changed.
    Though management likely changed because the subs dropped. The sexual predation on the workfloor is just a pretext to obfuscate a failing product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivarr View Post
    Though management likely changed because the subs dropped. The sexual predation on the workfloor is just a pretext to obfuscate a failing product.
    May want to reverse those two events.

    The failing product should have rolled Ion's head an expansion ago, it took the sexual predation on the workfloor for them to finally do anything about the team.
    WoW has Cancer. First you cut out the cancer (abusive devs), then you assign an aggressive treatment plan (major design rework) to save it.

    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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    Aye I can live with that. Maybe there's even a confounding factor where the failing product made it harder for employees to put up with the sexual harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    May want to reverse those two events.

    The failing product should have rolled Ion's head an expansion ago, it took the sexual predation on the workfloor for them to finally do anything about the team.
    Yeah. Ion was soooo sure that covenants and travelling between disconnected islands were cool ideas. Now with 9.1 were you are only in the maw, torghast and sanctum of dominiation Sl makes at least sense theme-wise. For me it was obvious that the theme will flop the moment I saw the announcment but oh well! Hire me ;D

    Seriously, Ion needs to step down from his leading position and do something he understands. I've read he knows how to make hard bosses?
    This tweet is so funny xD xD xD https://twitter.com/valarynn/status/1243965416944345090
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  12. #5712
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    May want to reverse those two events.

    The failing product should have rolled Ion's head an expansion ago, it took the sexual predation on the workfloor for them to finally do anything about the team.
    BfA broke Cata's sales record with 3.4M, SL broke BfA's record with 3.7M, which was this "failed" expansion again? Do you think bosses evaluate Ion's work from amount of bitching in fan forums?

  13. #5713
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    The argument was always stupid.. especially after they made 3 dirty dozen void infused belfs (and I'm being generous) into a faction. Literally Velfs are a small group of researchers that were exiled from the sunwell..
    But let's not derail the thread with this too much, there is a dedicated one for that topic.
    MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis.

  14. #5714
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    But now that we are in the SL, we should be experiencing the same thing Jaina did.

    I don't think we're going to have a huge timeskip but a year or two passing makes sense.
    If we are to experience what Jaina experienced, we would turn out older, but Azeroth would have barely changed. That's what you don't get. Time passes quicker in the Shadowlands, not slower.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Derek looks nothing like calia, other than he is a human. Calina is in pristine condition with light filled eyes etc, Derek is a rotting human from the bottom of the sea (which was bogus obviously, given how long he was down there...).
    Are you kidding?

    "In Battle for Azeroth, his corpse is quite intact despite having spent nearly thirty years underwater.
    The [Cursed Eye of Paleth] may be the reason Derek's corpse was in an almost pristine state after being thirty years underwater, similar to how the corpse of Captain Halyndor is still intact."

    He is not rotting in any way. They've changed his model from Forsaken to Human, if you haven't noticed.
    He got the same preserved grey skin as Calia Menethil (same as Nathanos) and white, glowing eyes (even though he was not raised by the light). They are, clearly, of the same race and Blizzard introduced these two so the potential race would have a male and a female equivalents.

    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Tbh you don’t see them at all lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Shush, logic isnt taken well to 'round these parts.
    There you go:
    Last edited by username993720; 2021-08-22 at 07:30 AM.
    I'm tempted to apply for a moderator position, just so i can go moderator on your asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    If we are to experience what Jaina experienced, we would turn out older, but Azeroth would have barely changed. That's what you don't get. Time passes quicker in the Shadowlands, not slower.



    Are you kidding?

    "In Battle for Azeroth, his corpse is quite intact despite having spent nearly thirty years underwater.
    The [Cursed Eye of Paleth] may be the reason Derek's corpse was in an almost pristine state after being thirty years underwater, similar to how the corpse of Captain Halyndor is still intact."

    He is not rotting in any way. They've changed his model from Forsaken to Human, if you haven't noticed.
    He got the same preserved grey skin as Calia Menethil (same as Nathanos) and white, glowing eyes (even though he was not raised by the light). They are, clearly, of the same race and Blizzard introduced these two so the potential race would have a male and a female equivalents.





    There you go:
    I meant you don’t see zombies
    Because they don’t exist
    It was a joke

  16. #5716
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    I meant you don’t see zombies
    Because they don’t exist
    It was a joke
    Zombies, literally, walk upright:

    I'm tempted to apply for a moderator position, just so i can go moderator on your asses.

  17. #5717
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Zombies, literally, walk upright:
    Fucking Abominations walk upright.

    There are plenty of undead npcs and mobs that walk upright. The “they’re a walking corpse” excuse never made sense, especially since we’re dealing with magic anyway. If it really made sense, nothing about them would be “up” at all ;why would it be limited to the spine?

  18. #5718
    I think WoW just needs new skeletons, some new, unique ones. Old ones are too much reused.
    Like too fucking much!

  19. #5719
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Many things created current situation:

    1) SL, at least compared to Legion/BfA is big shift from grind to raid log, which is always bad idea (but maybe it must happen every few expacs). Overall both BfA and SL take away more and more crazy stuff invented by Legion - but many of this crazy stuff were keeping people in game, even if they complained.

    Also, after they took all grind from Legion-like systems, all that is left is a shell, so no wonder many people feel systems in general are pointless. Renown/soulbinds almost fall from the sky, artifact was earned (at least on main).

    2) Covid + all possible reasons that delayed launch and especially patches.

    3) Too much focus on Sylvanas and taking away from players opportunity to kill her.

    4) Lawsuit (duh).

    5) Most funny thing - no content droughts similar to MoPs or WoDs. Even during longest one - from 8.3 to 9.0 - there was some Classic content + Blizzard manage this period very well with various buffs and changes to 8.3 + lockdown keep people in game. Last big break taken by many players (+ content creators, that have huge part in shaping general opinion) was 6.2->7.0. It's not coincidence so many have great memories from Legion launch.

    I don't see anything that is caused by shareholders/Activision with exception of one thing - timing. SL should be delayed to let's say March 2021, so devs would similar progress with patches like during Legion. It would solve both 2) and maybe 5) problems. But still general design of SL and story would stay.

    By the way, lawsuit explain why TBC was so rushed. I bet they either wanted push things ASAP or some negotiations with Cali took place.
    your 1) point i think is so spot on and i hope devs dont give into the raid log mentality, legion was a blast, bfa was good but toned down version of it, and castle nathria was raidlog central worst raid in a long time
    and asmon sneds his thousands of followers to go attack the systems guy while he plays ff14 which has waaay more systems than wow

  20. #5720
    I honestly think the big problem of Shadowlands in 9.0 was going for the raid/m+ log kind of scenario or say "seasonal log in" things like Timeless isle are very important to keep players engaged for at least 2-3 months say the least.

    Like Korthia is a big step in the right direction but I hope next patch we get something along the lines of Timeless Isle.

    I mean I do love Korthia and logging in every day to kill some rares in an open world alongside farming some rep + archivist codex.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firedemon View Post
    No. On these forums any updates mean an expansion hint.
    Wrathin comes back? Dragon expansion clearly!
    LK part of a quest? Wotlk 2 clearly!
    Sylvanas working with a death master? Shadowlands clearly!

    At the point we're headed for Wrath of the Shdowlands Dragon Isles Lich and tinkers.

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