No, his character wasn't ruined. His character went the way it should of. It could of gone different but the signs were already there in Wrath.
You implied it with how you spoke.Don't take words out of my mouth, I never said he was a "writing god".
And I'm not gonna stop using copium, even if it is overused.
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Really for all that I enjoy Stonetalon Garrosh, the Garrosh that challenged Thrall to a Mak'gora instead of attempting any actual discussion back in the Wrath pre-event, the one who completely discounted Saurfang in Borean Tundra and who was in every zone other than Stonetalon in Cata is the same Garrosh of MoP.
That's the thing with Stonetalon Garrosh. He's the outlier characterization. Mind you, that could have been the watershed moment that lead them to a different path, but the fact that wasn't followed through, nor resonates with his later -or former- characterization frames it more as a narrative false step.
It's pretty telling of WoW's narrative cohesion that different writers hold very different versions of the characters and that there's a serious lack of an overseeing editor role.
Thing is, it's not that uncommon on comic books, and I really feels like WoW borrows, more than anything, from those types of narratives. Different creators with different versions of the characters that conflict each other, with characterizations and motivations that come across as isolated and lacking a cohesive, unified vision.
Where is Umbric?
Still holding on to hope that we get more Mag'har characters, just someone that isn't terribly dull like the current leader.
I never understand why people think Stonetalon Garrosh is such an outlier.
Up until MoP, all his actions in Stonetalon match with his other actions, yes, even Theramore. Theramore was an actual Alliance outpost that has been planning to raze Razor Hall and most of Durotar. It was a valid target and it's not like he purposefully went after civilians.
And come MoP, obviously his character is slowly drifting away from the Stonetalon Garrosh, because the whole expansion is about him getting megalomaniac and being influenced by his bad traits (and the Shas). It's called character development.
People bitching about Garrosh being "ruined" because he actually had character development makes me excited about them removing stories from the PTR because I'd rather let them write the game than the community.
Garrosh said that. Garrosh.
That's really not an example of a "bad person." Draenei literally enslave their dead in robot bodies. Void Elves & Undead are biologically the same thing. And I've never seen an explanation of how that's somehow worse than what Odyn does. And Calia's about to start making new undead using Saa'ra
Your attempt at damage control fails because the Argent Crusade, who are objectively good guys, also thought that the Forsaken were acting like the Scourge.
Face it, back when they were led by Sylvanas, no one liked the Forsaken. The Alliance hated them, the rest of the Horde also hated them and kept them as allies only for strategic value, and pretty much everyone sane and good on Azeroth was either wary of them or wanted them gone.
It's such a miserable and despicable existence that Sylvanas herself, their leader, committed suicide as soon as she had her revenge, and came back only because she didn't want to stay in Hell. That's what the Forsaken are. They are such a cursed race, that their leader's first thought after her quest was done was literally to kill herself and be free of that miserable existence.
But under Calia, the Forsaken will finally enter an age where the Alliance and Horde will no longer be (rightfully) terrified of them, and that is an improvement.
People in-universe aren't nearly as terrified, hateful, and resentful of Alleria and the Ren'dorei as they were of the Forsaken. The only guy who complains about the Void elves, literally, is Lor'themar Theron, and he's a random nerd.
There was no way that bomb would be set off and NOT kill civilians. He could have bombed the bridge or the harbor, instead he went for the keep. Either he did not care about killing civilians which would make him inconsistent with Stonetalon Garrosh or he's a moron.
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Do we have any reason to believe Auchenai constructs are is not created voluntarily?
No. None of the points make much sense. Garrosh may be an ass, but that doesn't mean he can't be right about things. Void Elves and Undead are not "biologically the same thing" - most Undead are not Elves. And the magic that animates the Undead doesn't fall under biology anyway, so i'm not sure what the point there is to begin with.
Not sure where the thing about Calia comes from, either, or how she could "use" Saa'ra.
Because he is an outlier. Afrasiabi was in charge of Stonetalon, and deliberately wrote him differently from a way that the narrative team at the time didn't want as a whole. I will admit I liked Stonetalon Garrosh (even if Afrasiabi is a rapist pos and tried to deliberately tank every female character and anything he didn't like: see Teldrassil), but it did lead to a big disconnect from everywhere else he is presented.
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Yeah, as far as I can tell 9.2 is basically the new team 'picking up the pieces' of what Afrasiabi tried to ruin. I'm very interested to see what else they can do to try and heal over those wounds, from some of what we've datamined about 9.2.5, and eager to likewise see where Dragonflight goes.