1. #6041
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Oh this argument again. Warcraft always means war is being made. That doesn't mean faction war. Don't get sand in your pants.
    I know, it was just a joke. The war doesn't mean only when player factions are on each other throats, people who say that needs better material...




    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    That's not at all what the post was referring to lol

    Pretty sure he was referring to the McCree name change controversy
    Indeed!

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    Azeroth must be remastered!

  2. #6042
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    I know, it was just a joke. The war doesn't mean only when player factions are on each other throats, people who say that needs better material...






    Indeed!

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    I hope the revamp is coming

    Or it could be the level 60 boost starter gear



    Wasn’t awakenings a leak from around legion?? Props on fixing up the logo though


    The fate of eternity sounds like a final SL patch and I’m doubtful that it ends at 9.2 but it looks real enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post

    Vanilla leveling gear remastered!!!

    The World Revamp is becoming a reality?
    WoW has Cancer. First you cut out the cancer (abusive devs), then you assign an aggressive treatment plan (major design rework) to save it.

    Or you just let it die because that's too expensive.

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  4. #6044
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiradon View Post
    How about cosmetic quivers for hunters? Such easy wins they could completely implement... Now if you want a quiver you either pick Alleria's bow or farm the current drop from Normal or Heroic quiver that removes the cloak.
    I'm on board for that as well.

  5. #6045
    Quote Originally Posted by InflaterMouse View Post
    I'm on board for that as well.
    There are so many comsetic quivers in game already as well. Sure they are all from Vanilla to WotLK, but that is still a large amount of cosmetics that is straight up not in the game.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...mccree-rename/

    Based off of this article, it seems like Mac'Aree is confirmed to be getting a name change

  7. #6047
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    They will rename the game to Planet of Peacecraft, since War is too harsh of a word for the current era.


    So accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Vanilla leveling gear remastered!!!

    The World Revamp is becoming a reality?
    They look more like Pajamas than actual gear.
    I'm tempted to apply for a moderator position, just so i can go moderator on your asses.

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    Maybe we overestimate the power of ion in this team.
    He said several things that will not happen yet happened.
    Maybe the line where he said we're not gonna see a world revamp on the scale of cataclysm would also not happen was also made less true by other people voting for a world revamp inside the team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Maybe we overestimate the power of ion in this team.
    He said several things that will not happen yet happened.
    Maybe the line where he said we're not gonna see a world revamp on the scale of cataclysm would also not happen was also made less true by other people voting for a world revamp inside the team?
    This has nothing to do with Ion and everything to do with "what do I care about my idle gossip of yesterday". They have been going back on their word all the time without specifically announcing or even acknowledging it. Heck, "Blizzard" as such has made a 180 on their supposed design goals more than I can count. That being said, I won't believe in a world revamp unless I see it with my own eyes, as that was clearly not what they've had planned and I'm not even sure how they intend to pull it off.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
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  10. #6050
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Maybe we overestimate the power of ion in this team.
    He said several things that will not happen yet happened.
    Maybe the line where he said we're not gonna see a world revamp on the scale of cataclysm would also not happen was also made less true by other people voting for a world revamp inside the team?
    Could also be something only technically true.

    Like a world revamp could mean only cursory changes to zones, and no actual new zones and big changes like what cata had.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  11. #6051
    If we get revamps I would expect them to be at least on the level of the warfront zones tbh. Cata often just changed the layout but not the fidelity, if they really were to make old zones the playground for the next expansion they'd have to severly pretty them up, especially old trees, buildings, caves, etc.
    #1) MMO-C should be glad that the British Empire is no more, because they'd want a piece of all the copium trade here.
    #2) Angry players come to the forums to complain about the game... but what loser only comes to the forums to complain about the forums and its users?
    #3)Felating Blizzard too eagerly may lead to oxygen deficiency and worst case asphyxiation. Long-term effects range from delusions up to cerebral necrosis. #4) The WoW playerbase doesn't deserve housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Could also be something only technically true.

    Like a world revamp could mean only cursory changes to zones, and no actual new zones and big changes like what cata had.
    Hm, cataclysms story is spread across many zones and within many subzones and quests. If they do a "make everything with modern models/textures" would they seriously take the world as it is ? I think it is rather "all in or do not touch" for each zone. Maybe they remake several zones fully, but not the whole planet. Like Arathi and Darkshore. With a time-drake-npc
    Edit: but I hope for a total remake of the whole azeroth
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  13. #6053
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Hm, cataclysms story is spread across many zones and within many subzones and quests. If they do a "make everything with modern models/textures" would they seriously take the world as it is ? I think it is rather "all in or do not touch" for each zone. Maybe they remake several zones fully, but not the whole planet. Like Arathi and Darkshore. With a time-drake-npc
    Edit: but I hope for a total remake of the whole azeroth
    My ideal would be a total revamp of at least one continent, making the zones less insular, and also avoiding the main issue of Cata where very little of the endgame actually took place in the newly revamped zones.

    A new levelling should be very much possible as well if we assume that unlike Cata Blizzard wont make every single zone its own levelling, but rather pick maybe a couple of zones and have the entirety of the new 10-50 levelling take palce in those zones, leaving the rest either with nothing new in preparation for future updates, or endgame zones.

    An example would be a EK revamp that has 10-50 levelling take place in the Forsaken and Human zones, endgame take place in the plaguelands and surrounding areas, with patch content in Stranglethorn and other miscallenous areas of EK.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  14. #6054
    An entire world revamp only make sense if the entire world is scaling and every zone has world quests available for max level players.

    A world revamp where max level players only get a handful of new zones while two dozens of other zones get revamped and have no worth for max level players makes absolutely no sense. This would be the Cataclysm problem again then.

    I really don’t see why they cannot make everything scale to your level, other games can easily do it as well. This half-assed scaling for specific expansions makes barely sense anyway as it’s completely disconnected from any overarching storyline.
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  15. #6055
    One thing that's been on my mind about a potential world revamp, and those revamped zones becoming the 'current content zones', is how Blizzard will handle flying in those zones in line with their decisions to timegate flying until later a patch or several patches later. How do you guys think they'd approach that? Since it's zones we can already fly in.

  16. #6056
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Good point. This sort of sends his credibility crashing. I was maintaining something almost analogous to suspension of disbelief until now, but that is pretty condemning for his point.
    Counterpoint: A lot of industry insiders will use a generic term for those within their industry when speaking to an external audience. The mining industry, for example, might have Surface Miners, Underground Captains, Process Plant Operators and Mobile Maintenance Welders. Any one of these might be referred to as a "Miner" to external parties while only two of them are directly involved in by definition mining tasks, and only one actually has "Miner" in their title. The analogous term for the video game development industry is "developer." I've seen artists and QA and even community managers referred to as "developers" because that is simply shorthand for "has a position in the video game development industry." This isn't much of a smoking gun.

    That being said, there are reasons to dismiss it. Firstly, the lack of a new class, I personally find hard to believe, but that might be my own personal bias creeping in. Secondly, the existence of a housing system at all. I do not believe that Blizzard sees players philosophically as homesteaders. We're Luke Skywalker, not Owen Lars. I fully believe that housing will never be a feature of WoW because of this. Lastly, and perhaps most obviously, it is the willingness to post at all. No one in a coveted video game development job is going to roll the dice on getting blacklisted for violating an NDA. Period. Full stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    My ideal would be a total revamp of at least one continent, making the zones less insular, and also avoiding the main issue of Cata where very little of the endgame actually took place in the newly revamped zones.
    I wouldn't mind at all if they took a retroactive ESO approach and simply began telling smaller stories within a few zones, each patch starting a new narrative with a few more updated areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceCattx View Post
    One thing that's been on my mind about a potential world revamp, and those revamped zones becoming the 'current content zones', is how Blizzard will handle flying in those zones in line with their decisions to timegate flying until later a patch or several patches later. How do you guys think they'd approach that? Since it's zones we can already fly in.
    That's a definite strike against a world revamp. That's why I'm interested in a Dragon Isles expansion wherein flight is simply a part of the experience, if not something that is actively taken advantage of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Counterpoint: A lot of industry insiders will use a generic term for those within their industry when speaking to an external audience. The mining industry, for example, might have Surface Miners, Underground Captains, Process Plant Operators and Mobile Maintenance Welders. Any one of these might be referred to as a "Miner" to external parties while only two of them are directly involved in by definition mining tasks, and only one actually has "Miner" in their title. The analogous term for the video game development industry is "developer." I've seen artists and QA and even community managers referred to as "developers" because that is simply shorthand for "has a position in the video game development industry." This isn't much of a smoking gun.

    That being said, there are reasons to dismiss it. Firstly, the lack of a new class, I personally find hard to believe, but that might be my own personal bias creeping in. Secondly, the existence of a housing system at all. I do not believe that Blizzard sees players philosophically as homesteaders. We're Luke Skywalker, not Owen Lars. I fully believe that housing will never be a feature of WoW because of this. Lastly, and perhaps most obviously, it is the willingness to post at all. No one in a coveted video game development job is going to roll the dice on getting blacklisted for violating an NDA. Period. Full stop.

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    I wouldn't mind at all if they took a retroactive ESO approach and simply began telling smaller stories within a few zones, each patch starting a new narrative with a few more updated areas.

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    That's a definite strike against a world revamp. That's why I'm interested in a Dragon Isles expansion wherein flight is simply a part of the experience, if not something that is actively taken advantage of.
    I'm quite sure a world revamp will be similiar to WoD and Draenor/Outlands. They will just move the old cataclysm versions of Kalimdor/EK into the Caverns of Time this time to avoid the removing of content, but besides that the 10.0 versions of the old continents will be new so they can introduce them without flying and adding it later on. Also helps with blocking some of the zones of for future patches.

  18. #6058
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I'm quite sure a world revamp will be similiar to WoD and Draenor/Outlands. They will just move the old cataclysm versions of Kalimdor/EK into the Caverns of Time this time to avoid the removing of content, but besides that the 10.0 versions of the old continents will be new so they can introduce them without flying and adding it later on. Also helps with blocking some of the zones of for future patches.
    That's a pretty huge ask. I don't see that happening with the same team that's been putting out the formulaic, paint-by-numbers expansions that modern WoW has received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceCattx View Post
    One thing that's been on my mind about a potential world revamp, and those revamped zones becoming the 'current content zones', is how Blizzard will handle flying in those zones in line with their decisions to timegate flying until later a patch or several patches later. How do you guys think they'd approach that? Since it's zones we can already fly in.
    I don't think they'd timegate flying for a revamp.

    I'd imagine they could prevent flying in certain zones/areas with Mechagon-esque mechanics to keep us on the ground.
    But removing flying altogether for zones that we can already fly in would probably cause a ton of backlash that they'd rather avoid.

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  20. #6060
    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    this mobufuki dude is fake

    He refers to lecraft as a senior developer but lecraft's job was senior designer. Someone actually in this line of work would understand the difference--typically developer here is referring to someone who actually does the coding. He's not the guy responsible for gameplay decisions if he's a developer

    it doesn't make sense for someone who works at blizzard to make this sort of mistake because to them this distinction would actually matter
    Even without this, it's pretty obviously just some another bored dude LARPing as Blizzard insider in MMOC forums. We had more than enough of those over the years.
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