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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Could also be something only technically true.

    Like a world revamp could mean only cursory changes to zones, and no actual new zones and big changes like what cata had.
    If it doesn't include removing all the terrible 2010 pop culture references what's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Well it's a good announcement.

    Of course there is still a bitter feeling of "why the fuck we had to go through all this shit to begin with?", but I'm a 16 years long WoW player so I'm used to that anyway.

    I just hope they will deliver on a very good 9.2 and a VERY VERY good 10.0, game needs it.

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    Also communicating with playerbase... dayum, you ok there buddies?
    Probably because if we got this from the start then there would be nothing to that could be improved further in the expansion to give that retention boost.
    If everything here was added from the beginning then we would simply have something else to complain about, and it might not be as easy to change.

    Pretty much the argument for why flying should never be added from the beginning in its current state. If we had full freedom from the moment go then it might be exciting for maybe a week, and then there wouldnt be anything to look forward to in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    If it doesn't include removing all the terrible 2010 pop culture references what's the point?
    I suppose you are right. How am I supposed to know I am playing WoW if a zone that should be an interesting dive into lore doesnt end up copying scenes from Indiana Jones.
    Crazy talk is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by towelliee View Post
    sup my dude how is reality today
    Hi, haven't see you here since 9.1 launched in August.

    Oh wait, that never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Hi, haven't see you here since 9.1 launched in August.

    Oh wait, that never happened.
    June would be optimistic. Still June..ish. What can I say TBC messed up a lot of the timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    What he said turned out to be exactly true. So I don't know what you're saying. The prediction you made was vague and obvious. Anyone could have said it. You don't have inside knowledge until you show you do. Your statements have been exactly either obvious (9.1.5) or wrong (9.1).
    Vague and obvious yet all I heard from customization posts was 9.1.5 jokes on how bad it is. Y'all just need to realize I'm the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Probably because if we got this from the start then there would be nothing to that could be improved further in the expansion to give that retention boost.
    If everything here was added from the beginning then we would simply have something else to complain about, and it might not be as easy to change.

    Pretty much the argument for why flying should never be added from the beginning in its current state. If we had full freedom from the moment go then it might be exciting for maybe a week, and then there wouldnt be anything to look forward to in that sense.

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    I suppose you are right. How am I supposed to know I am playing WoW if a zone that should be an interesting dive into lore doesnt end up copying scenes from Indiana Jones.
    Crazy talk is what it is.
    You know I was thinking Redridge when I wrote that but yeah also Uldum, and for that matter can we just tear out all of Hillsbrad and start it over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by towelliee View Post
    Vague and obvious yet all I heard from customization posts was 9.1.5 jokes on how bad it is. Y'all just need to realize I'm the truth.
    I'm amazed you can manage to type out a post while sucking your own dick that hard. See you next posting session for when you """""predict"""" something is going to be "soon" and then jerk off about it happening at any point between 1 and 52 weeks from that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I'm amazed you can manage to type out a post while sucking your own dick that hard.
    I think he is baiting.
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    Because some of y'all clearly need to calm down a bit (like, really, there's enough negativity going around already, get a grip), here's that thing 1-2 people wanted yesterday or so regarding 'mystery content'. Still a WIP as I'm only listing things from memory without actually going through patches/message history yet. Will probably expand on it this weekend.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...-C8XWzbu8H30k/

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    Quote Originally Posted by towelliee View Post
    Vague and obvious yet all I heard from customization posts was 9.1.5 jokes on how bad it is. Y'all just need to realize I'm the truth.
    Although you have been proven correct on this particular guess, you still seem a little confused as to what constitutes a sufficient body of evidence. This seems more analogous to the Barnum Effect; the effect when an observer applies a vague and generalized statement, and then mistakenly believes it is a narrow and specific statement that is personally-tailored to them. In a similar way, you've made a statement that is vague and generalized, yet circumstances have proven sufficient to lend credit to what little was said. The only options are that the patch would be good, bad, or mediocre. A one-in-three likelihood of being correct is pretty weighed in your favor, especially given outside intervention and circumstances.

    This is credit to you, but your track record remains heavily blemished and I doubt this is enough to provide sufficient credit to your statements to an extent that you could be considered credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Because some of y'all clearly need to calm down a bit (like, really, there's enough negativity going around already, get a grip), here's that thing 1-2 people wanted yesterday or so regarding 'mystery content'. Still a WIP as I'm only listing things from memory without actually going through patches/message history yet. Will probably expand on it this weekend.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...-C8XWzbu8H30k/
    Survivor class.... I have to imagine that's just some kind of testing thing, right? Like what would a Survivor Class even do that Hunters don't already?

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    Well I see MassivelyOP is officially saying that the ripcord is pulled and you can hot swap covenants with 0 consequence.

    More reasons to not touch Shadowlands. Min-Maxers win again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Survivor class.... I have to imagine that's just some kind of testing thing, right? Like what would a Survivor Class even do that Hunters don't already?
    We theorized for a bit that this might have been part of the new player experience, where you'd actually pick a class after already being in-game. There's a good chance that if it was that, it was abandoned for technical complexity, but it was interesting enough to list imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Survivor class.... I have to imagine that's just some kind of testing thing, right? Like what would a Survivor Class even do that Hunters don't already?
    Well, what role could this feasibly serve in testing? Not to say that isn't a very good point, but I'm still curious. Is it some kind of control group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Survivor class.... I have to imagine that's just some kind of testing thing, right? Like what would a Survivor Class even do that Hunters don't already?
    Ya I'm imagining it's something for testing, or they had to put it in as some kind of workaround for some other content. Or maybe it's something to do with ai bots. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Probably because if we got this from the start then there would be nothing to that could be improved further in the expansion to give that retention boost.
    If everything here was added from the beginning then we would simply have something else to complain about, and it might not be as easy to change.
    Oh you don't need to tell me that. There is a long standing observation that I share that, that they do this shit also so they can score easy "wins" ​down the road.

    I just think this does them more harm than good and it's about time they stopped resorting to cheap trick and start putting WAY more effort into the whole thing.

    Now, I'll give them this - I'm sure they put considerable effort into WoW as is. I do not share these memes about how Blizzard does not do shit, yet expansions somehow happen.

    What I do think however, in-between competition spiking and their less than stellar record as of late - they need to truly double down on WoW and they can, they have the resources. Tricks and shticks can only do so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Well, what role could this feasibly serve in testing? Not to say that isn't a very good point, but I'm still curious. Is it some kind of control group?
    Might have been a way to test abilities without putting them on an existing class and screwing them up as a result. Or a way for devs to test stuff on their end without releasing it to players via PTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    You know I was thinking Redridge when I wrote that but yeah also Uldum, and for that matter can we just tear out all of Hillsbrad and start it over?
    Redridge was kinda dumb, but it at least had a really solid questline that took you across the entire map in a believable way. It started small, it had big moments, and it ended with fighting a dragon in a castle.

    Uldum was all the bad with none of the good. At best it had the mildly amusing questline with the turkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    We theorized for a bit that this might have been part of the new player experience, where you'd actually pick a class after already being in-game. There's a good chance that if it was that, it was abandoned for technical complexity, but it was interesting enough to list imo.
    Man that would have been cool if that was the case. But leveling's so easy anyway it wouldn't have mattered if you lost 2 hours deciding you hate mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    We theorized for a bit that this might have been part of the new player experience, where you'd actually pick a class after already being in-game. There's a good chance that if it was that, it was abandoned for technical complexity, but it was interesting enough to list imo.
    This theory was based on this scenescript name fwiw: "8.3.5 NPE - Prototype - Class Choice - (STM)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Redridge was kinda dumb, but it at least had a really solid questline that took you across the entire map in a believable way. It started small, it had big moments, and it ended with fighting a dragon in a castle.

    Uldum was all the bad with none of the good. At best it had the mildly amusing questline with the turkey.
    Redridge is a great case of "the zone works but you have to remove all the dated over the top memes" however. Like take out everything Rambo and replace it with stuff that actually feels like it belongs in the Warcraft universe and you can ship it.
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    Survivor.. Maybe its a class we will find on a planet after being destroyed by the jailer.

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