1. #6261
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    We are allowed to be annoyed when it creeps into this thread.
    I couldn't give a toss what he does on his own YouTube channel or even on dedicated threads. I just take offense when it invades the specific threads I enjoy spending time in.
    Just... like... move on...
    All my ignores are permanently filtered out and invisible to me. Responding to my posts with nonsense or insults is pointless, you're likely already invisible and if not - 3 clicks away. One ignore is much better than 3 pages of trolling.

  2. #6262
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    We are allowed to be annoyed when it creeps into this thread.
    I couldn't give a toss what he does on his own YouTube channel or even on dedicated threads. I just take offense when it invades the specific threads I enjoy spending time in.
    He's just baiting to get few laughs, get over it.

    It's very simple people. Obviously Towellie has some friends in Blizz that can give him vague hints. Obviously no one sane would give streamer specific info without NDA. That's why his info is useless when you expect specific stuff, but useful to warn you that something is coming soon. For example I came across his stream on day they revealed 8.3 I knew it's coming this day.

  3. #6263
    I'll take Towelliee leaks over the dumb 4chan "leaks" any day of the week, even if they are vague and have a 50/50 chance to be wrong.

    If nothing else, it breaks the boredom that's permeated the waiting period of Shadowlands ending.

  4. #6264
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    I'll take Towelliee leaks over the dumb 4chan "leaks" any day of the week, even if they are vague and have a 50/50 chance to be wrong.

    If nothing else, it breaks the boredom that's permeated the waiting period of Shadowlands ending.
    I prefer the 4chan leaks honestly. The anonymity makes it easier to pretend it's real.
    When it's a leak from a streamer especially I immediately think it's done for monetary gains rather than for fun or for real.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  5. #6265
    Not to be that guy, but I think half of you need to get off your high horses on things, such as assuming a patch release date, cause almost all of you got it wrong regardless of “info”, which is mostly bullshit half the time. And some of you also need to just move on from WoW specifically, since it clearly seems like this patch isn’t for you, or that SL has made a knot in your stomach, which is understandable. I don’t care for this patch myself, hell I think these changes should’ve been made before the fuckin release of the expansion, and yet that didn’t happen, so I’m staying off.

    I suggest some of y’all here do the same. Constantly criticizing WoW all the time isn’t healthy. It’s fine to criticize it once in a while, sure. But if you have a personal beef with Danuser or Ion, I would suggest FFXIV or something along those lines. Cause moving on is more healthy than playing and talking about a game you don’t like. Trust me, I know.

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    This is about as nice of a conclusion I can come to. No need to be violent towards one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    He is the death pantheon's fallen version of Amman'thul. Doesn't really matter though, Sargeras also managed to bring down our pantheon without much issue. With all the first ones shit we know now from the lame new book it's clear that these clowns in the shadowlands are literally just another pantheon, not just something like that. So I don't really see how he should be much higer than Sargeras, other than that he was written (with 3rd grader skills) to be the mastermind of everything.
    Zovaal is a mix between Sargeras and Aman’thul, but of the Death Pantheon. Dudes feats in the Sanctum are arguably greater than Sargeras’ also, if we are to compare realms to worlds, as Zovaal’s power VIA the Maw clouded multiple, if not the whole of the Shadowlands, while Sargeras’ influence simply clouded Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    What is written down somewhere by a blue post or?

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    Weird right? What will next expansion sell us?

    Player housing is waste of resource , if we have to believe that post then its not good.
    By them literally writing Zovaal as a foe beyond the Titans, them giving him all these amps, them making him the OG leader of the Death Pantheon, and him literally being Death itself, as stated by the Primus “Death comes for the soul of your world, but together, we may yet save it”. Sargeras wasn’t Disorder itself or anything like that.

  6. #6266
    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    Anyone else ever notice the Venthyr/Revendreth music plays in the Horde Embassy? Idk if this is new or not
    I noticed the same thing. Would be hilarious if it’s a spoiler about ARs.

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    Sargeras was the closest thing to Fel Itself because the demons are too chaotic and organized to have one major leader that is a demon. That’s the irony of the Burning Legion: they are ORDERED DISORDER and the only reason that they were a threat was because they were lead by a creature of Order that could wrangle them.

  7. #6267
    Another change that I see likely coming in the future is the uncapping of AoE again. Mike Ybarra himself admitted he disliked the AoE cap change so I think it's only a matter of when, not if. Might not arrive until 9.2 since they'll probably need more time, since that sort of change requires a hefty rebalancing of content. Maybe not until 10.0, actually.

    But I think it is coming, and it'll be a welcome return.

  8. #6268
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Another change that I see likely coming in the future is the uncapping of AoE again. Mike Ybarra himself admitted he disliked the AoE cap change so I think it's only a matter of when, not if. Might not arrive until 9.2 since they'll probably need more time, since that sort of change requires a hefty rebalancing of content. Maybe not until 10.0, actually.

    But I think it is coming, and it'll be a welcome return.
    At the very least I'd like them to be more consistent about it.

    Ahem Balance Druids.

  9. #6269
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    Another change that I see likely coming in the future is the uncapping of AoE again. Mike Ybarra himself admitted he disliked the AoE cap change so I think it's only a matter of when, not if. Might not arrive until 9.2 since they'll probably need more time, since that sort of change requires a hefty rebalancing of content. Maybe not until 10.0, actually.

    But I think it is coming, and it'll be a welcome return.
    Please no, it's the one thing keeping M+ pulls somewhat reasonable.
    Noone needs mass AoE like that constantly. And it's far better if uncapped AoE like that is reserved for abilities that deserve it rather than being given to everything.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  10. #6270
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Please no, it's the one thing keeping M+ pulls somewhat reasonable.
    Noone needs mass AoE like that constantly. And it's far better if uncapped AoE like that is reserved for abilities that deserve it rather than being given to everything.
    then they should just do square root scaling for all rather than the current situation where some classes are just better because they're uncapped

  11. #6271
    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    then they should just do square root scaling for all rather than the current situation where some classes are just better because they're uncapped
    Just so long as it doesnt go back to the time when M+ was decided by who had the most uncapped AoE potential.

    I much prefer this version where the classes with uncapped AoE potential is exemplified by it, not just someone that has such massive DPS potential incidentally.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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  13. #6273
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Marlamin mentioned how it might have been a scrapped idea for a classless version of the character that might be used in a hypothetical version of character creation that let you play around with a character before deciding the class.
    Hypothetically a version of this might bed that you run around on Exile's reach for a bit doing extremely basic combat before a screen pops up that lets you choose.

    No wa yof knowing of course, but the small amounts of facts surrounding the class seems to support it.

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    For that matter it could also have been intended as a mechanic in a quest sometime that actually physically took your class way for something. Maybe back to Exile's reach you started with your class, then had to play a really basic class before you found someone that could revert you to your preferred class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    My preferred theory is that it's a scrapped concept from Exile's Reach where new characters would start classless ("survivor") and be required to pick a class during the zone.

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  16. #6276
    People always talk about big set piece stuff when it comes to a revamp, but rarely talk about the actual new storylines and quests. Like if the revamp is themed around the building and healing that has happened since the Cataclysm hit and wrecked everything, what does questing look like in zones like Westfall which is now just a a regular region of farmers, or the Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge where most of the enemy forces (Black Dragons, Dark Iron, Blackrock) have become allies of the Horde/Alliance.

    The Scourge has been all but completely removed from the north end of the Eastern Kingdoms, and the Forsaken are now pushed out (and not dicks) so what's questing through the plageulands gonna be?
    Surely they can't make STV about the Gurubashi, Bloodsail and Kurzen's forces for a third time? In a bunch of the zones the only real conflict was the other faction (Stonetalon, Ashenvale, Silverpine, Hillsbrad, Southern Barrens) so without the war those are just peaceful areas rebuilding. Several major threats no longer exist in any organized capacity (See the above lack of Scourge and Cult of the Damned, but also the Naga have been routed and Azshara left to go do void shit, the Legion has been all but shattered and now the world has a population of Demon Hunters integrated into the Horde and Alliance).

    Is a revamp just gonna be even worse than Cata about most zones being one evil forces? Like replace all the Twilight's Hammer with void invaders but in even more zones.

  17. #6277
    If the horde do get the Venthyr as an allied race would the alliance get the Kyrian or maybe the Sylvar?

  18. #6278
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    This was a triumph



    Not sure where people got the idea that he wasn't. Guess they let their wants get the better of their judgement.

  19. #6279
    Quote Originally Posted by rainhard View Post
    If the horde do get the Venthyr as an allied race would the alliance get the Kyrian or maybe the Sylvar?
    I can't think of two more generic races for the Alliance to get than turbodruids and turbo goodboypaladinpriests. Like at least give the Horde the Necrolords because strength and honor and the Alliance the Venthyr because punishing the wicked.

  20. #6280
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    People always talk about big set piece stuff when it comes to a revamp, but rarely talk about the actual new storylines and quests. Like if the revamp is themed around the building and healing that has happened since the Cataclysm hit and wrecked everything, what does questing look like in zones like Westfall which is now just a a regular region of farmers, or the Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge where most of the enemy forces (Black Dragons, Dark Iron, Blackrock) have become allies of the Horde/Alliance.

    The Scourge has been all but completely removed from the north end of the Eastern Kingdoms, and the Forsaken are now pushed out (and not dicks) so what's questing through the plageulands gonna be?
    Surely they can't make STV about the Gurubashi, Bloodsail and Kurzen's forces for a third time? In a bunch of the zones the only real conflict was the other faction (Stonetalon, Ashenvale, Silverpine, Hillsbrad, Southern Barrens) so without the war those are just peaceful areas rebuilding. Several major threats no longer exist in any organized capacity (See the above lack of Scourge and Cult of the Damned, but also the Naga have been routed and Azshara left to go do void shit, the Legion has been all but shattered and now the world has a population of Demon Hunters integrated into the Horde and Alliance).

    Is a revamp just gonna be even worse than Cata about most zones being one evil forces? Like replace all the Twilight's Hammer with void invaders but in even more zones.
    Each zone has a specific flavour to it that players associate with it. It's really as simple as looking at it and asking what the logical next step could be.

    The Plaguelands was all about removing Scourge influence, but in its absence you can continue the plotline that Cata started. The last malignance of the plague of ubdeath, the Forsaken and Human relations.
    Make a storyline about the Forsaken and Humans wanting to retake Stratholme against the backdrop of hidden pockets of scourge and Scarlet crusade and you have an epic zone spanning storyline right there.


    Another is finding a lost plot thread, or better yet a plot thread added since and go from there.

    Feralas is all about jungle stuff, Botani is all about unchecked growth. And with the end of the Maghar questline there are Botani somewhere on Kalimdor.
    The story essentially writes itself.


    Lastly, if a zone is lacking a storyline then you could integrate the zone to be half the questline that is relevant in a zone near it.

    Badlands is really lacking as a zone. But it does have some Titan stuff. And with the neighbouring zone being the burning steppes it is easy to see how you could combine the badlands with the Dark Iron zones to make a greater plotline about the ressurection of Ragnaros storyline that was shown in the DI Dwarf questline.
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