1. #7601
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Sylvanus herself called Arthas a son of a bitch in WC3 but that made it through Reforged. I don't understand any of it.
    Of course they'll ignore that because they are quite happy to be hypocrites.

    People who call that Garrosh line "sexist" never cease to amaze me. By the time of Cata dead elf already had a major failure to her name, and the undead were not quite respectable members of the horde. So she goes ahead and commits an act, considered horrific by Garrosh and most living creatures of the world right in front of his eyes, then brags smugly about it. He lets her live, because he needs allies, but -oh my- used a harsh word with her! How dared he!
    It's not like she was expected to follow orders as a military commander, no. She's a woman, you see. You never use harsh words with women, even if they are parts of chain of command under your control and evil wretches at the same time.

  2. #7602
    I think it's better to take out this sort of sexualization. For some "kids" (early teens), WoW might be their first MMO game or RPG. Let's be honest, the audience of this game's current storytelling/quests are not aimed at mid-30's adults, it's pretty childishly and simply written. I think the only reason there are so many adults playing WoW is because they just never left after starting in teens or early 20's when it was new.

    There's no real benefit to keeping some of this stuff in the game, and there are benefits to removing it so new (and young) players do not experience it. A culture shift happens with one change at a time, and if no one ever did the small stuff then it would never happen at all. I support removing excess sexuality, especially what some would consider offense sexuality, out of games marketed to teens and young adults. If you wanna go play a game with boobs hanging out all over the place, and casual references to rape or the degradation of women into sexual objects, go play a rated-M game that celebrates that stuff. In the end, it's Blizzard's game, and they don't want to be that kind of company anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    These changes are getting dumber and dumber. What the actual fuck.
    Okay now I'm joining the train of fucking stupid changes.


    We've hit the point where they're just throwing shit at the wall to try and make us forget that the State of California is sueing them twice, a Union on behalf of employees is sueing them once, and the Federal SEC is sueing them once.
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  4. #7604
    none of you would have ever noticed any of this if wowhead hadn't made clickbait articles about it; it doesn't affect the game and it doesn't affect you. Blizzard didn't make a big announcement patting themselves on the back for defeating sexism, all the cries of virtue signaling are nonsense

    the twin consorts thing didn't add anything to Lei Shen's character, it wasn't delved into or looked at at all because Warcraft has always been comic book pulp fantasy storytelling. The big love rocket was exactly the sort of stupid dick joke that arises from having a frat boy culture like the one described in the lawsuit

    but again, people whining about this never cared about the sexual harassment lawsuit, they just wanted to use it as ammo for "blizz bad they ruined my game " so as soon as anyone starts doing anything to improve the situation in a way that might impact you personally you've started screeching about them changing it

    again, self-centered children

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragerre View Post
    Of course they'll ignore that because they are quite happy to be hypocrites.
    No, they will ignore that because no one cares about games this old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomatoBisque View Post
    none of you would have ever noticed any of this if wowhead hadn't made clickbait articles about it; it doesn't affect the game and it doesn't affect you. Blizzard didn't make a big announcement patting themselves on the back for defeating sexism, all the cries of virtue signaling are nonsense

    the twin consorts thing didn't add anything to Lei Shen's character, it wasn't delved into or looked at at all because Warcraft has always been comic book pulp fantasy storytelling. The big love rocket was exactly the sort of stupid dick joke that arises from having a frat boy culture like the one described in the lawsuit

    but again, people whining about this never cared about the sexual harassment lawsuit, they just wanted to use it as ammo for "blizz bad they ruined my game " so as soon as anyone starts doing anything to improve the situation in a way that might impact you personally you've started screeching about them changing it

    again, self-centered children
    I mean Blizz self-admits that they will do things because Datamining will put eyes on it. They absolutely made these changes knowing that Wowhead & Co would pick up on it and write an article on it. Thus getting people to talk about "is Blizzard going too far in censoring the game" instead of "Why hasn't Bobby Kotick been forced to step down as President yet?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    No, they will ignore that because no one cares about games this old.
    Or its just so obscure and small, most people won't even know it existed. Cause outside of world events happening, nobody would bat an eye on it. No "hypocrites" are at Blizz.
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  8. #7608
    It is insignificant compared to some of the other issues the game has, but it is also indicative. If these changes are to bring the game in with the WoW team's current line of thinking, we can then look at these changes to see where they might go in the game's future as well as for the culture of the office.

    For the game piece, let's say for instance that the next expansion is a Dragon Isles expansion. Given that this is a dev team that seems to dislike using the word "Consort" or showing women partially clothed in paintings, one can see several ways that the Dragon Aspects themselves will likely be changed. Alexstrasza's outfit seems likely (and perhaps did even before this), but it is likely that will be far from the only change. Will Keristrasza still be considered Malygos' forced consort? Given that the WoW team wasn't OK with the willing consorts in Throne of Thunder, that seems likely to be washed away. What of the awful actions Alexstrasza was enslaved & forced to create children for the Dragonmaw Orcs? It's brutal & tragic, but an important part of her story. It does not seem like too far of a leap that a company willing to change the backstory of a raid boss leading up to Lei Shen would also work to bury or minimize the horrific deeds done to Alexstrasza.

    That's IMO why it's important. Each individual act of censorship in itself is probably eyeroll-worthy at best. But together they tell a story, & that story paints a bit of a Flanders-style WoW to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Or its just so obscure and small, most people won't even know it existed. Cause outside of world events happening, nobody would bat an eye on it. No "hypocrites" are at Blizz.
    No one would bat an eye on majority these changes if not for the news. That's why I don't care about any of these.
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  10. #7610
    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    I think it's better to take out this sort of sexualization. For some "kids" (early teens), WoW might be their first MMO game or RPG. Let's be honest, the audience of this game's current storytelling/quests are not aimed at mid-30's adults, it's pretty childishly and simply written. I think the only reason there are so many adults playing WoW is because they just never left after starting in teens or early 20's when it was new.
    They did surveys in 2005/6 about the age of wow players and they estimated the average age to be well into the twenties. You can bet your ass that the current demographic is way closer to 40 than to 20, because the game is not exactly a magnet for kids.

    Also being badly written does not mean it's aimed at kids, go home with that shit. That is the excuse of this generation's hack-fraud writers that can't even ape the cheese of the 80s without tripping and falling flat on their faces. Not to mention kids franchises are famously peppered with adult humor.. yes, even disney has inuendos in their movies.

    To top it off, most kids these days have their first contact with mmos and rpgs when they play extremely predatory rubbish on their phone. Someone calling Sylvanas bitch in a zone that most people probably skip anyway nowadays is not going to poison their minds..
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    Are we seriously doing the "tHiNK oF tHE cHildren!" thing?

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    Kids these days have access to hardcore porn with a single move of their thumbs. Thinking that "bitch" will do something to them is laughable.
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  13. #7613
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    No, they will ignore that because no one cares about games this old.
    Somehow a game this old still warranted a remaster in 2020, and that remaster "required" bringing its lines "to modern standards".
    We are also talking specifically about the same character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragerre View Post
    Somehow a game this old still warranted a remaster in 2020, and that remaster "required" bringing its lines "to modern standards".
    We are also talking specifically about the same character.
    And the game became a shit show of a remaster and one of the worst games of the year that Blizz wants to forget about. As everybody else already did.
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  15. #7615
    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    It is insignificant compared to some of the other issues the game has, but it is also indicative. If these changes are to bring the game in with the WoW team's current line of thinking, we can then look at these changes to see where they might go in the game's future as well as for the culture of the office.

    For the game piece, let's say for instance that the next expansion is a Dragon Isles expansion. Given that this is a dev team that seems to dislike using the word "Consort" or showing women partially clothed in paintings, one can see several ways that the Dragon Aspects themselves will likely be changed. Alexstrasza's outfit seems likely (and perhaps did even before this), but it is likely that will be far from the only change. Will Keristrasza still be considered Malygos' forced consort? Given that the WoW team wasn't OK with the willing consorts in Throne of Thunder, that seems likely to be washed away. What of the awful actions Alexstrasza was enslaved & forced to create children for the Dragonmaw Orcs? It's brutal & tragic, but an important part of her story. It does not seem like too far of a leap that a company willing to change the backstory of a raid boss leading up to Lei Shen would also work to bury or minimize the horrific deeds done to Alexstrasza.

    That's IMO why it's important. Each individual act of censorship in itself is probably eyeroll-worthy at best. But together they tell a story, & that story paints a bit of a Flanders-style WoW to come.
    Just wanna quote this because it's exactly my line of thinking. I don't mind these types of changes much individually, but the trend they set and what that could mean for the game moving forward is what's concerning.

  16. #7616
    Since this is a speculation thread how about a crackpot theory of the Blizzard felating kind: They changed the Twin Consorts' name and description because they want to make them a playable race in the future.
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  17. #7617
    I find it really weird that 9.1.5 adds really nothing to the Shadowlands story and everything is in limbo until 9.2. Not even a 20 minute questline / scenario dealing with the aftermath of Sanctum / Sylvanas? I mean they wrapped up the entire faction war of BfA in 8.2.5 in a 30 minute (or less) scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I find it really weird that 9.1.5 adds really nothing to the Shadowlands story and everything is in limbo until 9.2. Not even a 20 minute questline / scenario dealing with the aftermath of Sanctum / Sylvanas? I mean they wrapped up the entire faction war of BfA in 8.2.5 in a 30 minute (or less) scenario.
    9.1.5 is just a systems patch that finally brings Shadowlands out from Early Access and makes the game systems playable.

  19. #7619
    In 8.2.5 they wanted to wrap up war story/clear field before moving to full N'zoth arc. Also they had prepared CGI cinematic, without it 9.2.5 chapter would be pretty shitty. In 9.1.5 there is no need for that, 9.2 could as well start with Primus reforging final key and opening portal.

    In 9.1.5 their main goal is to encourage players to explore rest of SL content (alts, other covenants) and some old content (islands, Legion raids) while they're cooking 9.2. Legion timewalking will be just first 2 weeks, so it serve both as sub bait and evergreen addition to game.

  20. #7620
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I find it really weird that 9.1.5 adds really nothing to the Shadowlands story and everything is in limbo until 9.2. Not even a 20 minute questline / scenario dealing with the aftermath of Sanctum / Sylvanas? I mean they wrapped up the entire faction war of BfA in 8.2.5 in a 30 minute (or less) scenario.
    It doesnt look good for more plot, but it isnt completely unthinkable that whatever quest or three with Sylvanas is hidden on the PTR. Not a big or even that likely chance, but still.

    This patch seems very much like the kinds of patches we get when the drought is really kicking in and Blizzard is less interested in keeping players active raiding or such, but rather content to just scour the last bits of content from the game.
    I am actually kind of surprised we got this patch so early, usually I would expect stuff like this to be literally the last patch the expansion has, from that time when the intent behind the systems are long since irrelevant, and content can be changed to be designed for players that join the expansions after and only want a few select things hidden behind systems that would normally be designed to take ages to promote gameplay.
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