1. #8221
    We had Blizzcon online details on late September last year, still no news about next one. So it's not like February is a given. Maybe first they planned smaller online event early 22 and real Blizzcon late 22, but after July new people said: "yeeeaaah.. it will be better to skip live audience Blizzcon this year as well".

    Of course if they plan to release expac in 2022 (which I don't think is super likely), March/April is deadline for revealing stuff - with assumption Alpha start literally days after reveal.

    EDIT: Still not Mage Tower this week? November release for 9.1.5 start looking more likely than 19th October.
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    I definitely would not expect a Blizzcon live event in 2022, maybe not even in 2023. A live event means there will be protestors at the venue and a live event means Blizzard can't control what's going on / the narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I definitely would not expect a Blizzcon live event in 2022, maybe not even in 2023. A live event means there will be protestors at the venue and a live event means Blizzard can't control what's going on / the narrative.
    Protestors lol. People don't care that much, and by that time everybody will forget about all the shit. Fresh Blitzchung drama caused only one "free Honk Kong" during questions panel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Protestors lol. People don't care that much, and by that time everybody will forget about all the shit. Fresh Blitzchung drama caused only one "free Honk Kong" during questions panel.
    People might not care, but (paid) activists do. And be sure they're swarming Blizzard events, if they'll exist in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    People might not care, but (paid) activists do. And be sure they're swarming Blizzard events, if they'll exist in the future.
    Dunno, did Ubisoft got any of these?
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  6. #8226
    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Disagree. Outland gave us Garrosh and the Mag'har. Blood Elves and Draenei. It introduced elements to the lore that have carried on long after that expansion was over and done with. Same with most others. I think the least impactful (unless we revisit Yrel in the future) was WoD, which can be summarized as "Gul'dan resurrected" without missing a beat in the overarching narrative. I suspect we'll be able to summarize SL as "Sylvanas was (killed/redeemed)" without any other narrative elements having an impact on the plot at all.
    Please, you are just proving my point that this is how every expansion is. The Mag'har are a completely irrelevant sideplot, Blood Elves and Draenei are only important because Blizzard arbitrarily picks them to be the "group" doing shit. You could have put anyone on Isle of Thunder or Suramar Horde side and changed a few lines of dialogue. The Draenei don't even make sense in Legion, the only place they were really important, because the expansion already had the Illidari, a force specifically bred to fight demons.

    Being a thing that can be used later doesn't make any expansion more or less filler, because every group is that and ever expansion has those groups, see the explorer's league being constantly involved in world-ending shit, or Khadgar, or Tyrande and the Night Elves. It's all just arbitrarily picking what groups they want involved, and until that point things are just introduced and left in limbo, like the Mag'har who were introduced and then were completely unimportant until what, vague relevance in the last patch of MoP? the Blood Elves who were unimportant after BC until basically Suramar, or the Draenei who never really became important again, because besides Velen, the only important Draenei are a completely new group introduced specifically for Legion.

    SL details what happens after passing on, establishes what guided the cosmic powers into existence and expanded on their relations to one other, that is far more fundamental to lore than anything at all that happened in most expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Isn't there an animation that plays when you travel to them, though? Might be for that.
    That's exactly it. An animation. Not a separate map.

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    So you’re saying that Garrosh is irrelevant?

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    beats me what the expac theme would be this time. Another left-fielder, was WoW written for a story to last this long? lol I kid, but really where to go from here.

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    Anyone tried out the PTR recently and could say if all major features (covenant swapping, all skips and so on) are already in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    beats me what the expac theme would be this time. Another left-fielder, was WoW written for a story to last this long? lol I kid, but really where to go from here.
    Dragons most likely. That or a Light themed story, possibly even both.
    We go to the Dragon Isles to find something to help against an invasion of Light, and while there help the dragonflights with their problems.

    If that plotline worked for Legion then it could work perfectly fine again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I would say that Feb Blizzcon Online will be catering to the Expansion and that the PTR will go live during the massive news push in November. I'd definitely believe that they will try and make the Final Patch come out prior to Blizzcon Online but then again I'm kinda optimistic about where their efforts have been put and that they are trying to get back on schedule by pulling off this really tight schedule to get ready for Alpha in April. We'll see as the Sylvanas Book releases in February too.
    That's specifically what I was referencing. They always cover a deep dive of the final patch at the same event they give preliminary expansion info. They might announce the expansion in November, or February, either way that doesn't affect the patch schedule. Though one new factor is that the final patch premise is usually well telegraphed long before it comes out, but this expansion is different. That just means they'll want to cover 9.2 before they announce the new expansion, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be released before then.

  13. #8233
    Diablo and WoW seem to have features that bleed across to each other.

    D4 seems to opting for a massive skill tree that offers (to quote them) years of exploration of build types. So perhaps the wow skill trees will be massively expanded into a forest. In D4 you can set any skill as "passive" and it will do some passive stuff. For example, you can set the meteor skill to cast meteors on your enemies, or move it into the passive slot such that you can no longer cast meteor but meteors will periodically fall from the sky. D4 will have dungeons with difficulties not set to just normal, heroic, mythic but they will a slew of settings to give you great granularity in how easy or hard it is. D4 will have mounts and you will be able to buy various pieces of armor for your mount.

    Those are all features to consider when thinking 10.0.

  14. #8234
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    They should've given the Jailer a twirled moustache.
    No that seems to be what the player base wants him and Sylvanas to be. They're actually the opposite. They've kept their plan concealed while beating us every step of the way. No instead people like you and others in this thread seem to want the "villain dropping their scheme monologue" while there's still a chance to stop them aka mustached villain from saturday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarethion View Post
    Anyone tried out the PTR recently and could say if all major features (covenant swapping, all skips and so on) are already in?
    Yes. It's all pretty much there and testable, but there was a bug with the cov swapping where if you rejoined some weird stuff happened like you'd lose the followers etc.

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    From what I know campaign skip is not testable (although I fear Blizzard will just give you all soulbinds and call it a day). Also Mage Tower, but I've just remembered MT wasn't tested on 7.2 PTR either. Rest is pretty much in, 9.1.5 is not big patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Diablo and WoW seem to have features that bleed across to each other.

    D4 seems to opting for a massive skill tree that offers (to quote them) years of exploration of build types. So perhaps the wow skill trees will be massively expanded into a forest. In D4 you can set any skill as "passive" and it will do some passive stuff. For example, you can set the meteor skill to cast meteors on your enemies, or move it into the passive slot such that you can no longer cast meteor but meteors will periodically fall from the sky. D4 will have dungeons with difficulties not set to just normal, heroic, mythic but they will a slew of settings to give you great granularity in how easy or hard it is. D4 will have mounts and you will be able to buy various pieces of armor for your mount.

    Those are all features to consider when thinking 10.0.
    If D4 goes for that then it will be just an attempt to copy from PoE, but I think WoW will diverge here from the usual diabolofication. Introducing such a tree into an Arpg grinder is one thing, doing the same in an MMOrpg that practically lives from copetitiveness and the meta is not going to work. Certainly not with the current devs. Arguably even PoE doesn't fully realize it, as the talent tree is the base of lots of praise but also one of the often mentioned reasons why people quit the game before even properly starting. The diablo crowd is a bunch that wants to grind all day long, the only way to get them off your back is by fighting them back with math and throwing systems with an incredible number of permutations at them. Meanwhile the WoW crowd is begging Blizzard to stop drowning us in systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That's specifically what I was referencing. They always cover a deep dive of the final patch at the same event they give preliminary expansion info. They might announce the expansion in November, or February, either way that doesn't affect the patch schedule. Though one new factor is that the final patch premise is usually well telegraphed long before it comes out, but this expansion is different. That just means they'll want to cover 9.2 before they announce the new expansion, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be released before then.
    How is the premise of 9.2 NOT well telegraphed at this point?

    The story will be as follows: Sylvanas and Primus craft some new macguffin to replace Arbiter's sigil, we open to portal to Zereth Mortis and follow Jailer there. In the Sepulcher of the First Ones raid we will stop Jailer from destroying the universe and free Anduin. Patch might include some Light themed B-plot to introduce Light as the enemy for next expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Diablo and WoW seem to have features that bleed across to each other.

    D4 seems to opting for a massive skill tree that offers (to quote them) years of exploration of build types. So perhaps the wow skill trees will be massively expanded into a forest. In D4 you can set any skill as "passive" and it will do some passive stuff. For example, you can set the meteor skill to cast meteors on your enemies, or move it into the passive slot such that you can no longer cast meteor but meteors will periodically fall from the sky. D4 will have dungeons with difficulties not set to just normal, heroic, mythic but they will a slew of settings to give you great granularity in how easy or hard it is. D4 will have mounts and you will be able to buy various pieces of armor for your mount.

    Those are all features to consider when thinking 10.0.
    This always was one of the best aspects of Diablo - you get skills and then you can individually change these skills with Runes etc. Out of all the things from Diablo, I never understood why they didn't copy this. This would give us so so so much more options and build diversity. The skill tree we have now in retail is awful. Period. Character progression in retail is awful. They need to do something with this that keeps on growing with the expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Dragons most likely. That or a Light themed story, possibly even both.
    We go to the Dragon Isles to find something to help against an invasion of Light, and while there help the dragonflights with their problems.

    If that plotline worked for Legion then it could work perfectly fine again.
    Let's assume it's neither Dragons, nor Light/Void: what's left then? I mean they kept Azshara alive and said she'll come back in the future - in what kind of expansion / story would this make sense? Something related to Xalatath maybe (but not the Void directly)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Let's assume it's neither Dragons, nor Light/Void: what's left then? I mean they kept Azshara alive and said she'll come back in the future - in what kind of expansion / story would this make sense? Something related to Xalatath maybe (but not the Void directly)?
    Azshara will be brought in the Void expansion as an enemy of my enemy -type of an ally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Azshara will be brought in the Void expansion as an enemy of my enemy -type of an ally
    sounds lame

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