1. #8601
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    I didn't want to believe it...especially through that "leak", since mf's usually cap for life, but...

    No. This cannot be. They are actually gonna go full Kerrigan with her! DO NOT GO FULL KERRIGAN, DANUSER! PLEASE!
    btw which leak are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaiShade View Post
    I wouldn't rule out for Sylvanas to become the new Jailer, she and Bolvar are pretty fit for the job. What really puzzles me is what the Jailer threw at her at the end of Sanctum, we are assuming it was her soul splinter but why should the Jailer return it to her?
    If the Eternal Ones are literally unkillable and we need to jail Zovaal again, I can see Sylvanas becoming new Jailer to keep Zovaal locked up in Torghast.

    If we can kill Zovaal, there is no need for new Jailer, but we do need a new Arbiter so that is the role Sylvanas will take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.
    Sylvanas is not coming back to Azeroth or Horde. Depending on Zovaal's fate, she becomes either new Jailer or Arbiter.

  3. #8603
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    If the Eternal Ones are literally unkillable and we need to jail Zovaal again, I can see Sylvanas becoming new Jailer to keep Zovaal locked up in Torghast.

    If we can kill Zovaal, there is no need for new Jailer, but we do need a new Arbiter so that is the role Sylvanas will take.
    I too think it's what's going to happen in the end, a main character sacrificing him/her-self to keep an evil organization or being imprisoned/in check is really cool and not something they already did at least twice......

  4. #8604
    Best case scenario really is that Sylvanus becomes the new jailer. It keeps her away from Azeroth forever, and also keeps her away from any good characters who eventually die.

    All we can do is cross our fingers Blizzard is at least self aware enough to know just how evil they made her.
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  5. #8605
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Dramatic much? Everyone knew Sylvanas would be redeemed the moment she hesitated when talking to Manduin.

    Blizzard's writing is as subtle as a truck honestly
    Dramatic? Bro, no one wants this. I'm fine with the Heroes destroying Zovaal in the end (And not fucking Sylvanas), but still...it's dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaiShade View Post
    btw which leak are you referring to?
    Was that 4Chan thing everyone called BS on, despite the fact most of it seems true atm lol. Talked about Arbiter Sylvanas, Blizzard not knowing what they're doing, and the company just straight up going to shit for the year, all of which happened or are happening, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.
    You're evil, and I respect you for it. I'm going to Zereth Mortis, fuck this lol.

  6. #8606
    She'll become the new Janitor.

    No perfect punishment for someone who is terrified of Hell, to end up in Hell for the rest of eternity, with no chance to leave it ever.

    And finally this garbage character will no longer stain the story with her presence, this took too long

  7. #8607
    Players have known Blizzard is having internal trouble for a while. And even if they didn't they take it as a given simply because that is what they are like.
    Blizzard having internal troubles would have been true regardless of the Lawsuit, and Covid has been an issue for well over a year.

    If a leak claiming internal troubles is the only reason to assume it seems real, then really it might as well not have said anything at all.
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  8. #8608
    Considering the "soul shattering" plotline they're forcing on her, etc, it's very likely she'll end up as like a new "compassionate" Arbiter or some shit, watching over Oribos and the Maw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Players have known Blizzard is having internal trouble for a while. And even if they didn't they take it as a given simply because that is what they are like.
    Blizzard having internal troubles would have been true regardless of the Lawsuit, and Covid has been an issue for well over a year.

    If a leak claiming internal troubles is the only reason to assume it seems real, then really it might as well not have said anything at all.
    I guess, yeah. I just hope Zereth Mortis is big.

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    Oh and by the way Forsaken players, please enjoy your new leader Calia Menethil, sister of Arthas Menethil and Queen of the Light

  10. #8610
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Considering the "soul shattering" plotline they're forcing on her, etc, it's very likely she'll end up as like a new "compassionate" Arbiter or some shit, watching over Oribos and the Maw.

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    I guess, yeah. I just hope Zereth Mortis is big.
    Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

    Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Oh and by the way Forsaken players, please enjoy your new leader Calia Menethil, sister of Arthas Menethil and Queen of the Light
    The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

    Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

    Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.
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  11. #8611
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

    Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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    The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

    Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

    Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.
    She will be perfect for the role, she won't judge souls with logic and fairness but with love and forgiveness, because you see she is good now... and reformed...

  12. #8612
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

    Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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    The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

    Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

    Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.
    Even better, some random Dungeon quest giver with 2 minutes of screentime

    What an ugly doomed race, if I were a Forsaken player I'd just race-change honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Even better, some random Dungeon quest giver with 2 minutes of screentime

    What an ugly doomed race, if I were a Forsaken player I'd just race-change honestly.
    Really? I find that this is the perfect time for more Forsaken stories. This is when the story can finally pivot away from the edgy stuff and into the far more interesting questions of whether they should resettle the Plaguelands, and whether this should be done alongside or in opposition to the living humans who also might want to resettle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Hahahaha. I already liked Sylvanas' redemption arc, but this makes it even better. Please Danuser, go through with it and bring us our true Warchief back home.
    Please no. The Horde is run by a council now, and frankly that makes WAY more sense for the faction than a Warchief.

    Also, I really hope 10.0 isn’t cosmic based. I’m hoping beyond hope that we get Undermine next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

    Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

    Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.
    Voss was always written as reluctant leader. She is a spokesperson at the most. She is also the one who seeked our Calia to become the new leader of the Forsaken.

  16. #8616
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Having her as the arbiter would be among the worst options unless it's literally something where she is trapped unable to actually do anything.

    Even assuming she is good, she is still not omnipotent, how could she ever actually manage to fairly judge souls like the Arbiter did? Who was after all, a literal machine designed solely to judge souls fairly.

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    The Forsaken leadership structure seems to place Voss at the top though.

    Though I guess that being said, it also seems to assume players can intuitively understand the subtle differences between Forsaken and Lordaeron undead, which might be where the problem is.

    Forsaken and Lordaeron undead have some overlap, but they are not the same.
    I would assume the Eternal Ones would argue that Sylvanas has done a lot of shit so that she could never truly return to Azeroth, yet due to her aid against Zovaal, and her stuff with the balance between Life and Death and whatnot, she would be the one to take up the role as the Arbiter, hence they'll infuse her with Zovaal's Anima, and make her the Arbiter. Imo, that's probably the most neutral, and arguably realistic option they could provide for her. Any other option would piss off one half of the playerbase, etc.

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    I'm fine with it, so long as the HEROES defeat Zovaal, and not her, which I think is going to end up being the case. The Heroes will utilize the First Ones' power and destroy Zovaal at the Sepulcher. Makes sense considering 9.0 and 9.1 kinda hinted at it, with us activating First One relics on command.

  17. #8617
    I think people here do too many mental gymnastics while in reality Blizzard is extremely predictable in their writing. Thus Calia will become the true leader over Voss because she is a sexy unique model while Voss literally has a generic NPC model.

    "B-but Blizzard said Calia wouldn't join the Horde!!!" is already disproven by the Shadowlands pre-patch where Calia is literally organizing the defense of Orgrimmar, the capital of the Horde

  18. #8618
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    I think people here do too many mental gymnastics while in reality Blizzard is extremely predictable in their writing. Thus Calia will become the true leader over Voss because she is a sexy unique model while Voss literally has a generic NPC model.

    "B-but Blizzard said Calia wouldn't join the Horde!!!" is already disproven by the Shadowlands pre-patch where Calia is literally organizing the defense of Orgrimmar, the capital of the Horde
    The story doesn't really allow for the smaller nuances of characters to shrine through. Calia is very clearly not the leader of the Forsaken, but rather of the greater group of undead living in former Lordaeron. However when the game has to show this it ends up shuffling her alongside the Horde despite this not really making much conventional sense narratively.

    I would say it's similar to how Umbric is the leader of the Void Elves, but still answers to Alleria because she is seemingly leader of a greater group of Thalassian Elves not affiliated with Silvermoon.
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  19. #8619
    Huh? Why are we coming back to this leak now? Did something happen?

    And I mean... Sylvanas either replacing the Arbiter or the Jailer was expected here for... at least one year? I don't know. I'm sure I was saying she'd become the new Arbiter months ago, even before 9.1 was released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFirstOnes View Post
    Considering the "soul shattering" plotline they're forcing on her, etc, it's very likely she'll end up as like a new "compassionate" Arbiter or some shit, watching over Oribos and the Maw.

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    I guess, yeah. I just hope Zereth Mortis is big.
    Uther already said its not a case of good and bad side when it comes to soul. When Uther regained his full self it wasn't the bad side that finally came back.
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